With respect et2, It really is the same thing. It is an attitude that people are getting from TV and slanted reporting. LEOs almost without exception are there to help and want to help. After years of abuse by people they may get jaded and become less friendly or more standoffish, but they still are there to help and to save lives. We see ourselves as protecting society and we are truly trying. Society is just making it harder and it is reflected in people getting an attitude when they get pulled over. Same thing. I think this will probably be my last post. I was trying to help and I appreciate the support from most of you. But it's the few that make all of us have a hard time with these subjects. See you all down the road, I'll buy the coffee but I insist on sitting in the back of the diner with my back against the wall! Peace.