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- ValkyriebushExplorer II
wolfe10 wrote:
retiredtravelers2013 wrote:
I have been curious about the economy mode but have been afraid of pushing the mode button since the manual says nothing about it. Can someone explain exactly how it works?
Keld
From an article I wrote a couple of years ago for the FMCA Magazine:
ALLISON TRANSMISSION MODE BUTTON
BY BRETT WOLFE, F252125
The Allison transmission control module (TCM), which is the "electronic brain" that controls shifting and other functions of the transmission, has two different automatic gear-selection modes/programs.
In Economy Mode, the transmission will not downshift even at wide-open throttle until the engine pulls down to peak torque rpm in some applications and 200 rpm lower than Performance Mode in others. In Performance Mode, the transmission will downshift much earlier to maintain higher engine rpm.
Only at higher throttle positions is there any difference, so on flat ground you will not notice any variation between the two modes, except when accelerating from a stop if you are at or close to wide-open throttle.
However, mode selection can make a big difference when traveling over rolling hills. If you drive in such areas while in Performance Mode (particularly with the cruise control on), it is common for the transmission to shift down to fifth gear on the uphill and back to sixth gear on the downhill, repeating this process hundreds of times.
In Economy Mode, the transmission will stay in sixth gear unless the hill is so steep or so long that the engine cannot pull it without dropping below peak torque rpm. According to engine manufacturers, the most economical way to climb a hill with a modern turbocharged diesel engine is in a higher gear (lower engine rpm), provided the engine doesn’t overheat.
If, while driving in Economy Mode, you know you will need a lower gear because of the steepness of the grade and/or the engine temperature is rising higher than the thermostatically controlled temperature, use the down arrow to drop a gear (this is what I do) or switch out of Economy Mode. Be sure to switch back into Economy Mode when past the steep section or you will be stopping at a service station for fuel sooner than you expected.
While you are driving in hilly terrain, if your engine begins to overheat, the engine’s horsepower-to-weight ratio is low, or it irritates you to lose a few mph in the name of saving fuel, by all means drive in Performance Mode.
It confuses me to hear people advocate driving in Economy Mode only on flat ground, as there is not 1 percent difference in shift rpm between Performance and Economy modes on flat ground, except when accelerating from a stop if you use wide-open throttle.
Every time you start the motorhome, the transmission is in Performance Mode. This is the default setting. If you push the mode button, it goes to Economy Mode and the light illuminates.
There is no absolute number that can be given to illustrate the difference in fuel economy that will result when driving in Economy Mode. On flat ground where you will be in sixth gear no matter what mode you are in, there will be zero difference. The most significant difference in mileage will occur in rolling hills, where in Performance Mode, particularly if on cruise control, you will start up a hill in sixth gear, go to wide-open throttle in that gear, and downshift to fifth gear still at wide-open throttle, where it is using a lot more fuel. After the hill is crested, the transmission will upshift to sixth, then likely coast a little in that gear unless you are driving with the exhaust brake on. If you are, the exhaust brake will be applied and the transmission will downshift toward the preselected gear, which is generally either second gear or fourth gear. And so the process will continue, with the transmission shifting up to sixth gear on the downhill, back down to fifth gear on the uphill, etc. The problem with this is that a modern turbocharged diesel engine is much more efficient at low rpm with high throttle settings.
Note: In either mode, you are free to use the up and down arrows to proactively choose the correct gear. You cannot screw anything up, even if you downshift to first gear at 70 mph. The transmission circuitry understands that you want to downshift to the next lower gear as soon as the engine rpm will not exceed the preset amount. Then it will downshift again when safe.
By the same token, you can shift between Performance and Economy modes as often as you want with the transmission in any gear when you make the change.
I drive in Economy Mode 99 percent of the time, including in the mountains. I use the up and down shifting arrows to choose the proper gear. I use Performance Mode only to pass another vehicle on a two-lane road, when I am willing to sacrifice a little fuel economy to gain a short-term burst of speed.
X-2 Thanks for explaining that. I always thought E mode was flat lands only. - wolfe10Explorer
retiredtravelers2013 wrote:
I have been curious about the economy mode but have been afraid of pushing the mode button since the manual says nothing about it. Can someone explain exactly how it works?
Keld
From an article I wrote a couple of years ago for the FMCA Magazine:
ALLISON TRANSMISSION MODE BUTTON
BY BRETT WOLFE, F252125
The Allison transmission control module (TCM), which is the "electronic brain" that controls shifting and other functions of the transmission, has two different automatic gear-selection modes/programs.
In Economy Mode, the transmission will not downshift even at wide-open throttle until the engine pulls down to peak torque rpm in some applications and 200 rpm lower than Performance Mode in others. In Performance Mode, the transmission will downshift much earlier to maintain higher engine rpm.
Only at higher throttle positions is there any difference, so on flat ground you will not notice any variation between the two modes, except when accelerating from a stop if you are at or close to wide-open throttle.
However, mode selection can make a big difference when traveling over rolling hills. If you drive in such areas while in Performance Mode (particularly with the cruise control on), it is common for the transmission to shift down to fifth gear on the uphill and back to sixth gear on the downhill, repeating this process hundreds of times.
In Economy Mode, the transmission will stay in sixth gear unless the hill is so steep or so long that the engine cannot pull it without dropping below peak torque rpm. According to engine manufacturers, the most economical way to climb a hill with a modern turbocharged diesel engine is in a higher gear (lower engine rpm), provided the engine doesn’t overheat.
If, while driving in Economy Mode, you know you will need a lower gear because of the steepness of the grade and/or the engine temperature is rising higher than the thermostatically controlled temperature, use the down arrow to drop a gear (this is what I do) or switch out of Economy Mode. Be sure to switch back into Economy Mode when past the steep section or you will be stopping at a service station for fuel sooner than you expected.
While you are driving in hilly terrain, if your engine begins to overheat, the engine’s horsepower-to-weight ratio is low, or it irritates you to lose a few mph in the name of saving fuel, by all means drive in Performance Mode.
It confuses me to hear people advocate driving in Economy Mode only on flat ground, as there is not 1 percent difference in shift rpm between Performance and Economy modes on flat ground, except when accelerating from a stop if you use wide-open throttle.
Every time you start the motorhome, the transmission is in Performance Mode. This is the default setting. If you push the mode button, it goes to Economy Mode and the light illuminates.
There is no absolute number that can be given to illustrate the difference in fuel economy that will result when driving in Economy Mode. On flat ground where you will be in sixth gear no matter what mode you are in, there will be zero difference. The most significant difference in mileage will occur in rolling hills, where in Performance Mode, particularly if on cruise control, you will start up a hill in sixth gear, go to wide-open throttle in that gear, and downshift to fifth gear still at wide-open throttle, where it is using a lot more fuel. After the hill is crested, the transmission will upshift to sixth, then likely coast a little in that gear unless you are driving with the exhaust brake on. If you are, the exhaust brake will be applied and the transmission will downshift toward the preselected gear, which is generally either second gear or fourth gear. And so the process will continue, with the transmission shifting up to sixth gear on the downhill, back down to fifth gear on the uphill, etc. The problem with this is that a modern turbocharged diesel engine is much more efficient at low rpm with high throttle settings.
Note: In either mode, you are free to use the up and down arrows to proactively choose the correct gear. You cannot screw anything up, even if you downshift to first gear at 70 mph. The transmission circuitry understands that you want to downshift to the next lower gear as soon as the engine rpm will not exceed the preset amount. Then it will downshift again when safe.
By the same token, you can shift between Performance and Economy modes as often as you want with the transmission in any gear when you make the change.
I drive in Economy Mode 99 percent of the time, including in the mountains. I use the up and down shifting arrows to choose the proper gear. I use Performance Mode only to pass another vehicle on a two-lane road, when I am willing to sacrifice a little fuel economy to gain a short-term burst of speed. - retiredtravelerExplorerWe have a 98 HR with the 5.9L Cummins and 6 speed Allison. During the 4000 miles we have driven it I have just kept it in D. It has performed fine. I have been curious about the economy mode but have been afraid of pushing the mode button since the manual says nothing about it. Can someone explain exactly how it works?
And I have used the exhaust brake quite a bit It surely helps keeping things under control. Especially on long grades.
Thanks in advance for any clarifications.
Keld - bycrackeyExplorer
CA Traveler wrote:
No reason to switch to N for stop lights. It takes a much more extended time in grid lock before the tranny temp starts any significant rise.
absolutely agree.there is no problem what so ever sitting at a stop with trans in gear on this unit,Lite brake peddel application is more than adaquete to hold unit at a stop with zero effort - CA_TravelerExplorer IIINo reason to switch to N for stop lights. It takes a much more extended time in grid lock before the tranny temp starts any significant rise.
- Blaster_ManExplorer
bluwtr49 wrote:
One thing you will notice is that the engine develops so much HP and torque even at idle that holding in gear with brake is not particularity easy and the tranny will generate quite a bit of heat.
It pays to kick the tranny into "N" at stop lights.
Agree. The only time my trans temp has risen was when we were on the interstate, there was an accident and the traffic stopped. Put the trans in neutral and it immediately cooled down. - bluwtr49Explorer IIOne thing you will notice is that the engine develops so much HP and torque even at idle that holding in gear with brake is not particularity easy and the tranny will generate quite a bit of heat.
It pays to kick the tranny into "N" at stop lights. - bycrackeyExplorer
rr2254545 wrote:
Need to downshift manually going up hills and mountains unless you want to go really really slow.
its a 425ISL and has lots of power plus its not a Exhaust Brake
its a 2 stage engine brake.Big difference!
Have the person leasing it to u explain how and when to use this function.For the most part just leave the trans in D for 99% of your driving - wa8yxmExplorer IIIMy gasser has a 5 Speed Allison, in my case the MODE switch is labeled "Grade Brake".. if yours is then post and we will describe its operation to you. otherwise..
I mostly put it in "D" and let it do it's job.. I've driven over mountains and flat land and I just let it do it's thing. I've not noticed it dropping below the torque curve before it shifts but then it has a GM engine in front of it and it's kind of hard to drop below the torque curve on those.
It works well.
There are some places where I will downshift.. Mostly because in the RV parks the speed limit is 5-15 MPH and I very much need to keep it in low. - SnomasExplorerI think the the most important thing to learn is how to use the exhaust brake on downhill grades to control you speed whereby you don't overheat the service brakes causing them to overheat and fail!
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