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Mar 05, 2016

EPDM roof coating: Project notes

It is funny to recollect, but when I bought a 19 year old Class C I did not pay much attention to the roof. Right on time at 20 years, the roof began to leak in spots. Well, it had leaked for the previous owner too. But the white ablative coating had now weathered away in spots leaving black EPDM. The roof was done.

Or was it? The membrane itself was mostly intact. Twenty years of UV and weather had simply removed the white coating, exactly as designed. I decided to recoat with white liquid EPDM rather than do a complete tear-off and reroof with EPDM membrane. It seemed like liquid EPDM could keep the roof going for another 10 years at least.

I couldn’t see spending a couple thousand dollars (?) on an RV that was only worth a few times that. Better to keep the money in investments and buy another used RV in 10 years. Maybe even an RV with a fiberglass roof.

These project notes document what I did and learned. This is a large and complex project, but it can be fun and satisfying if you plan and prepare well.

Recoating is an expensive and complex project that most people have not done before. I watched a lot of videos, but they mostly show what is easy not what is difficult.

Watching smiling people applying EPDM to the center of the roof under cloudless skies is really not very helpful. Because the real challenges are the edges of the roof and the timing of applications to avoid weather.

Key point: You are going to be on a schedule driven by chemical reactions. Polymerization waits for no one. And unfortunately the drying times vary widely and unpredictably. You have to choose a period of stable weather and be prepared for the possibility of rain.

If the primer is curing and it starts to rain... you have a problem. If your 3/8-inch drill burns up while your coating is half mixed... you have a problem. These detailed notes on what worked and what did not work should help you avoid these problems.

== Dicor seam sealing ==

Items needed:

. Old clothes
. Rags
. Box of disposable gloves
. Scrapers
. Dicor self-leveling sealant
. Caulking gun
. Stiff plastic for shaping Dicor

About half of the project consisted of sealing seams along the roof edges. My RV had multiple generations of Dicor along the front, back, and side seams. I decided to scrape out all the old Dicor and replace it.

This work was mostly done with a hook-shaped Hyde tool used for scoring plexiglass. It was good for reaching under the metal side moulding and ripping out the old Dicor.

I used rubbing alcohol to clean the seam areas, then applied fresh Dicor being sure to push it back under the metal moulding. Then I added a second layer, smoothing this with an old credit card.

In the process I discovered two tiny cuts in the EPDM membrane. These explained the leaks I had been seeing but I had not spotted them before. I also slipped with the scraper and caused one small cut. All of these cuts were patched with Dicor Diseal patch.

(But just buy a roll of Eternabond tape instead of the little Diseal Band-Aid patch that costs $20. $56 will get you 2400 square inches of tape vs. 36 square inches for the patch. Basically you are looking at 2 cents per square inch vs. 55 cents per square inch for the patch.)

During this phase I also replaced the two vent caps. I decided to leave the AC unit gasket alone, per http://www.irv2.com/forums/f54/need-new-a-c-gasket-257462.html. Some will want to replace this gasket.

This phase took about 6 hours and 3 tubes of self-leveling Dicor sealant.

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  • == Applying the EPDM ==

    Items needed:

    . Throw-away clothes
    . Cartridge respirator highly recommended!
    . Paint thinner
    . Many rags
    . Box of disposable gloves

    . Drop cloth to cover entire mixing area
    . 1/2-inch drill. IMPORTANT: Buy or rent a 1/2-inch drill. A smaller drill will burn up. (I destroyed a nearly new Dewalt 8.0 Amp 3/8-Inch drill in just a few minutes mixing: $60)
    . 4 inch mixer paddle: do not attempt to use a smaller mixer
    . Squeegee is absolutely essential
    . 4 inch brush for behind fridge vent and other narrow areas
    . Rope to pull up sealant bucket: it is heavy

    At about 40 hrs the primer was finally sticky but now walkable.

    I wore shorts and stocking feet, so that knees and socks could be carefully unpeeled when they got slightly stuck.

    If you were fortunate enough to not use primer, be sure to apply blue masking tape around the entire perimeter of the roof. This will greatly reduce the drips down the side.

    Mixed the two parts. Super-thick. Smoke came out of drill, so I took it really easy and got it mixed. But the 8.0 Amp 3/8-Inch drill was destroyed in minutes!

    The bucket is very heavy and everything sticks to the primer coat. I mostly set the bucket on the AC unit. If I had set it down on the primer, it would have pulled up the primer within a few minutes.

    This stuff is THICK like concrete. The roller and brush were completely unusable, except in the narrow slot behind the fridge vent. The squeegee was perfect.

    As advised on the can, I poured out "serpentine" lines of coating then moved it around and spread it out with the squeegee. It is really more like finishing concrete than painting.

    I was soon concerned that I would not have enough coating. But it worked out reasonably well. I had enough to put it on heavily in the walk area near the ladder.

    My exit down the ladder was really messy. I had to wipe drips off the ladder, the rear of RV, and motorcycle rack even with a dropcloth.

    Applying the EPDM took about 2 hrs.

    After 24 hrs the coating was sticky but still too soft to walk on. The covers are still off and I am worried it will rain.

    After 3 days: Dry but still soft where thick. I was able to remove some pine needles that had stuck to the coating. Installed AC cover and fridge vent cover. Two spots were missed, will coat w/Dicor--I am not going to buy more gallons of EPDM.

    After 5 days: Cut and scraped off masking tape along left side, then right side. Left had flopped over and I did not really cut it right so I ended up breaking the seal along the edge. Installed vent covers.

    I decided to cover the whole left edge with EternaBond tape. I did not buy a metal roller, just used a plastic hammer end to rub the tape firmly down. Be careful not to put the Eternabond roll down on anything... the tape edge bonds quickly.

    I stored the EternaBond in plastic food wrap, then aluminum foil, then in a freezer bag, and stored it in the RV. I hope this expensive roll will last for many years and that I will not have to use it much.

    == Summary ==

    It was quite a project. Challenging but fun and satisfying. I expect that the coating will last for many years, especially because I now cover the RV except when on the road.

    Cost: About $600 and 12 hours time.

    One thing I would do differently is the roof exit process:

    1. Tape and drape a drop cloth down the center 6 feet of one side of the RV
    2. Put another drop cloth on the ground especially if it is a driveway
    3. Set up an aluminum extension ladder so it extends 3 feet above the RV roof, in the area where there is nothing on the roof (probably across from the AC unit)
    4. With rope, tie the base of the ladder to the frame or axle
    5. Apply coating to each end of the RV, working back towards the ladder
    6. Attach bucket to ladder with rope or cord
    7. Stand on ladder and finish the last part of the roof
    8. Untie bucket and carefully retreat down the ladder

    I would also be more prepared for rain with a large tarp and a plan for getting it on fast. Even if the tarp stuck in spots it could still save most of the project depending on the state of drying of the primer or coating. Also I would consider pausing and putting the covers back on as soon as I had coated near them.

    Hope these notes help others contemplating reroof options or a recoat project.
  • == Applying the Primer ==

    The primer is challenging because it involves a limited time window. You have to let it get dry enough to walk on but not too dry or the coating will not stick.

    Items needed:

    . Throw-away clothes
    . Paint thinner
    . Many rags
    . Box of disposable gloves

    . Brush: Rubbermaid Commercial FG633700BLUE Bi-Level Floor Scrub, 10 x 3 inches
    . Pole: Weiler 44300 60" Length, 15/16" Diameter, Threaded Metal, Wood Handle

    . Blue masking tape

    . Mixer for 1 gallon bucket (about 2 inches diameter)
    . 3/8-inch drill... 1/2-inch better.
    . Plastic 2-gallon bucket for mixing
    . 1/2-gallon throwaway container for dividing parts A and B
    . Drop cloth to cover entire mixing area
    . Paint roller
    . Paint roller tray
    . Paint roller pole
    . Short nap paint rollers
    . 4 inch brush for along edges

    First I removed the AC cover and refrigerator vent cover. The RV was now vulnerable to rain. Yet I would not be able to get on the roof to replace the covers if it started to rain. Exciting.

    I scrubbed the entire roof with Dawn and the pole brush, and sprayed the runoff from the sides.

    Masked around every side with blue tape. This is very important to reduce runoff.

    Press the tape down firmly--this will reduce leaks and save time later. Along the front and back edges, run a second line of tape forming a "dam" to stop drips. Again, this will save a lot of work later.

    I had 2 gallons of primer total. Mixed up A, wiped off the mixer with a rag, then mixed up B.

    Then put 1/2 gallon of A and B in a throwaway can to same level, then combined them into a plastic bucket.

    Mixed for 4 minutes.

    Application was mostly by roller. Two gallons was a lot. It was very thick in places.

    I did get some dripping down the sides. It is important to check every few hours because drips can start after a delay. I cannot overemphasize the importance of masking well.

    Applying the primer took about 3 hrs total.
  • == What about primer? ==

    I found this notice: "For Fleetwood models with ALPHA roofs or an Alpha Rubber roof you will need to use the ProFlex Primer. You will be able to refer to your manual to determine if you have a roof made by Alpha systems"

    Naturally this information was not in my 1995 Fleetwood manual.

    I found a couple of helpful postings:

    "Alpha Systems is the other large supplier of EPDM rubber roofing to the RV industry (Dicor is the more common one). And yes, Fleetwood used a lot of Alpha's products in the past and your Prowler almost surely has roof material from Alpha Systems. Unfortunately, there is no Fleetwood Trailer division anymore and Fleetwood Motorhomes has no info on the trailers, so no way to get confirmation from the factory. .

    “If in doubt, there is a primer that will allow Dicor and similar products to be applied over Alpha EPDM. ProGuard, for example, says their Proflex primer will allow their Liquid Roof coating to be applied over Alpha brand EPDM.

    See Service Bulletin #4 at www.proguardcoatings.com/product-categories/epdm-coatings/liquid-roof-f9991

    You can't go wrong using the primer - it is supposed to be compatible with both brands of EPDM. www.alphasystemsinc.com/ProductCare"
    Ref: www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=82397.0

    "I also have confirmed with Fleetwood directly the alpha product was used by them up until the year 2000." Reference

    So I ordered primer along with the coating. With shipping the cost was about $490.

    == Applying the Primer ==

    The primer is challenging because it involves a limited time window. You have to let it get dry enough to walk on but not too dry or the coating will not stick.

    Items needed:

    . Throw-away clothes
    . Paint thinner
    . Many rags
    . Box of disposable gloves

    . Brush: Rubbermaid Commercial FG633700BLUE Bi-Level Floor Scrub, 10 x 3 inches
    . Pole: Weiler 44300 60" Length, 15/16" Diameter, Threaded Metal, Wood Handle

    . Blue masking tape

    . Mixer for 1 gallon bucket (about 2 inches diameter)
    . 3/8-inch drill... 1/2-inch better.
    . Plastic 2-gallon bucket for mixing
    . 1/2-gallon throwaway container for dividing parts A and B
    . Drop cloth to cover entire mixing area
    . Paint roller
    . Paint roller tray
    . Paint roller pole
    . Short nap paint rollers
    . 4 inch brush for along edges

    First I removed the AC cover and refrigerator vent cover. The RV was now vulnerable to rain. Yet I would not be able to get on the roof to replace the covers if it started to rain. Exciting.

    I scrubbed the entire roof with Dawn and the pole brush, and sprayed the runoff from the sides.

    Masked around every side with blue tape. This is very important to reduce runoff.

    Press the tape down firmly--this will reduce leaks and save time later. Along the front and back edges, run a second line of tape forming a "dam" to stop drips. Again, this will save a lot of work later.

    I had 2 gallons of primer total. Mixed up A, wiped off the mixer with a rag, then mixed up B.

    Then put 1/2 gallon of A and B in a throwaway can to same level, then combined them into a plastic bucket.

    Mixed for 4 minutes.

    Application was mostly by roller. Two gallons was a lot. It was very thick in places.

    I did get some dripping down the sides. It is important to check every few hours because drips can start after a delay. I cannot overemphasize the importance of masking well.

    Applying the primer took about 3 hrs total.