Gas or diesel?

Dave wrote "Please send me the link to the RIVA definition Id like to see it."

AZ Kid already gave you the definitions from RIVA, and posted the link.
Did you read the responses, or are you too busy arguing? :S

wincrasher65 wrote:
Well if someone who's just gone thru the ordering process with them's word isn't good enough for you, then I don't know what is.

But here's some other links:
Roadtrek adventurous - probably one of the biggest players - see a desiel on their order page? http://www.roadtrek.com/buildyourown/build_your_own_step2.aspx?modelID=23&yearID=15&country=USA

Or maybe Winnebago ERA?
http://winnebagotouring.com/products/2015/era/specifications/

Or maybe Pleasureway (download the brocure and go to page 31)?
http://www.pleasureway.com/2014BrochureDownload/

Or how about Great West?
http://www.greatwestvans.com/2013-legend-ex/

Maybe Airstream (they are expensive after all):
http://www.airstream.com/specifications/interstate-ext

There, I just may have covered 95% of the market. See any diesel generators in there?

To be fair, here is the link for Sportsmobile. They seem to be the only one. What they don't talk about is what has to give to make this fit.
http://sportsmobile.com/5_sys_generators.html

Here's an interesting thread on their forum. Apparently it hangs pretty low, but some think it's OK. http://sportsmobileforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=13883

I didn't read them all and look I will though.

Advanced RV. needs to be on tbe on the list - 2 years old or not its still in print.

But you originally said "no one" now -now you acquiesce-

Did you find that =RIVA definition you quoted?

UD

Dave, I moderated this forum since it started, and I think I know what a Class C, and a Class B are. What the others are saying is correct, you are WRONG
RIVA's definitions couldn't be clearer, but maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, or just like to argue.
A type of RV is based solely on its chassis type, and if it's on a cut-away it's a Class C.
Has nothing to do with a cab over.
I know of no company, except maybe SM, who will install a diesel generator in a Class B. If you have a photo of one post it, but not if it's a Class C.
Here is an example of a Class C with no cab over.

Rialta

Well if someone who's just gone thru the ordering process with them's word isn't good enough for you, then I don't know what is.

But here's some other links:
Roadtrek adventurous - probably one of the biggest players - see a desiel on their order page? http://www.roadtrek.com/buildyourown/build_your_own_step2.aspx?modelID=23&yearID=15&country=USA

Or maybe Winnebago ERA?
http://winnebagotouring.com/products/2015/era/specifications/

Or maybe Pleasureway (download the brocure and go to page 31)?
http://www.pleasureway.com/2014BrochureDownload/

Or how about Great West?
http://www.greatwestvans.com/2013-legend-ex/

Maybe Airstream (they are expensive after all):
http://www.airstream.com/specifications/interstate-ext

There, I just may have covered 95% of the market. See any diesel generators in there?

To be fair, here is the link for Sportsmobile. They seem to be the only one. What they don't talk about is what has to give to make this fit. They show it on their generator page:
http://sportsmobile.com/5_sys_generators.html
But it's not listed on the current options price sheet:
http://sportsmobile.com/pdf/pricesheet_allsprinter_7-1-14_Part4.pdf

Here's an interesting thread on their forum. Apparently it hangs pretty low, but some think it's OK. http://sportsmobileforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=13883

wincrasher65 wrote:
dave,

RVIA is the organization that sets the definitions. They regulate/govern the industry, are their trade group and lobbying arm. They certify that RV's meet the guidelines. Not wikipedia, or any individual builder.

In their definition, it's either a B or a C. There is no B+ regardless of what individual manufacturers claim. A B is a van, a C is on a cut-away. A bed over cab is NOT part of the definition. They just say it's an indicator of some.

The forum is structured the same way. If someone in here starts talking about a B, then the assumption is it's a van conversion. Currently you can get vans in gas or diesel. Not Sprinters, but Fords, Chevy (in years past) and soon Promaster (gas only right now).

A diesel generator is not available from 99% of the builders. Roadtrek, Advanced and the rest are now going with the extra alternator setup. That is because the size requirements of the diesel genset mean that you have to give up tankage size or battery bank - there just isn't room for everything in a B. If sportsmobile is still offering the deisel generator in new builds (which we haven't confirmed they are)that means they are giving something else up. But they are a totally build to order outfit - they'll make whatever you want, generally, if it's a good idea or not.

All your mainstream builders have a narrow set of offerings. Please name one - winnebago, pleasureway, great west, roadtrek, etc, that is offering a diesel generator on new builds. I bet you can't. If you find any links, go ahead and post them.

Please send me the link to the RIVA definition Id like to see it.
This is all I can find and every one has cab over on a truck chassis
http://www.rvia.org/?ESID=TypeCMHs

RIGHT FROM THEIR DEFINITION PAGE "Optional sleeping space over the cab"

Setting aside the class C bit .

I showed 2 sport mobiles that have them that are clearly B's with no discussion.

Extended idling with a diesel is a bone of contention amongst many up fitters
Advanced RV mentioned this as well in their AC challenge.
(people say thats old info but don't show any different or updated statements to the contrary)

There are several advanced RV clients that have mentioned that can't run their AC all night because of this- easy to find on sprinter source forum.

Now you want to see MORE links. Pretty clearly its an option and is available, but most don't go for it because of cost. - thats different from "you can't get it".

I think you need to show some link that say these vendors ARENT putting diesels in.
Ive already showed at least 2 that ARE.

A rear mount genset only gives up spare tire space and from what I can tell the hitch is lower than the genset.



UD

dave,

RVIA is the organization that sets the definitions. They regulate/govern the industry, are their trade group and lobbying arm. They certify that RV's meet the guidelines. Not wikipedia, or any individual builder.

In their definition, it's either a B or a C. There is no B+ regardless of what individual manufacturers claim. A B is a van, a C is on a cut-away. A bed over cab is NOT part of the definition. They just say it's an indicator of some.

The forum is structured the same way. If someone in here starts talking about a B, then the assumption is it's a van conversion. Currently you can get vans in gas or diesel. Not Sprinters, but Fords, Chevy (in years past) and soon Promaster (gas only right now).

A diesel generator is not available from 99% of the builders. Roadtrek, Advanced and the rest are now going with the extra alternator setup. That is because the size requirements of the diesel genset mean that you have to give up tankage size or battery bank - there just isn't room for everything in a B.

The links you provided are old. I looked at the Advanced RV one - a blog post does NOT mean they are offering it. How you get that idea from that text? All it says is they were looking at it - 2 years ago. It is surprising, considering their price point, that cost of the generator was an issue. I'd think it would be the dimensions and the noise factors. Since then, they've been going with the extra alternator. There is a bit of controversy around this choice, which you can read about on a few forums. Roadtrek is doing the same thing on the E-Trek, but you can order it on their other models, including the Chevy.

If sportsmobile is still offering the diesel generator in new builds (which we haven't confirmed they are)that means they are giving something else up. But they are a totally build to order outfit - they'll make whatever you want, generally, if it's a good idea or not. So finding one in a 2010 model is not all that surprising, I suppose anything is possible if someone had the budget.

All your mainstream builders have a narrow set of offerings. Please name one - winnebago, pleasureway, great west, roadtrek, etc, that is offering a diesel generator on new builds. I bet you can't. If you find any links, go ahead and post them.

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2010-Sportsmobile-Custom-Design-112531320

And another....

UD

http://davidelmore.com/Sportsmobile.php

Heres a sportsmobile (def a class B) with a power tech diesel in it.

UD

So the this particular thread is gas vs diesel, and I site a genset as a reason to go diesel.

a bunch of you guys say "you can't get them" I point out several examples available used and you guys say- "thats not a class B its a C" - ok debate over this ensues.

I point out a diesel genset model from powertech specially designed for Sprinters (no class implied) and no one says anything.

I point out that advanced RV does indeed offer a diesel generator and Davyyd say no - even though AdvancedRV says Yes themselves and I point this out and they say it in their video.

Very clearly you CAN get them, and they ARE available.

UD

BudJ wrote:
Dave, you're wrong along with the other fellow.\

The View is not a B or B Plus or C. It is a C Minus.

Bud

I would say a B+,

but I supposed a C- makes as much sense.

UD