Monaco (Fleetwood Motor Homes)

Why is this so important to you? Here is the press release about Navistar buying Cummins ISX engines:

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-10-22/navistar-reaches-engine-deal-with-cummins

My statement was that they had access to these engines and didn't use them. Navistar's failure in the motorhome business had more to do with their failed EPA strategy than anything else.

steveownby wrote:

univmd wrote:

steveownby wrote:

univmd wrote:
ASV believes that Navistar failed with Monaco because it did not have any 500 or 600 hp luxury engines for loyal Monaco owners to upgrade to, and also because the Roadmaster chassis has not been updated for years, like Freightliner and Spartan. Looks like ASV believes Roadmaster is inferior to Freightliner and Spartan.

Navistar had access to the Cummins ISX so a lack of horsepower was not a problem. Navistar had much bigger problems to deal with when they couldn't get their heavy haulers approved by EPA.

The Roadmaster chassis particularly the S Series semimonoco chassis was always expensive to build and the decision to abandon it was purely economic.

Wrong. "For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings."

Snell: Holiday Rambler, Monaco Return to Power
November 15, 2013 by RV Business
Mike Snell
Editor’s Note: The following is a “Letter to Owners” from Mike Snell, president of Monaco and Holiday Rambler, that appeared in the company’s e-newsletter. Snell outlines the changes and the progress Monaco and Holiday Rambler have accomplished since being acquired by Allied Specialty Vehicle Inc., including a “Return to Power” with big bore engines built on an all-new Roadmaster chassis
Nearly five months ago, on May 16, Monaco and Holiday Rambler, along with Beaver and Safari, started a new journey under Allied Specialty Vehicles. The first part of that journey involved making some tough, but necessary decisions to ensure the continuation of the brands.
One of those decisions was moving production and service from Wakarusa, Ind., to Decatur. Much of the work force was given the option to transfer to Decatur. We also worked with the company who purchased our Wakarusa facility to transition some employees to their operations. With a strong local economy and thoughtful transition planning, the overall impact to the area has been minimal.
Another critical decision was to maintain distinct product DNA for each brand and to keep our engineering, design and product development teams intact. In order to do that, we opened a facility in Elkhart where our design teams have their own dedicated design area and shop. The entire team has been feverishly working over the last few months to bring you innovative, new features, great floorplans and stunning designs.
We believe in designing quality products that fulfill our owners’ needs and desires; therefore our design process is a true collaboration between our engineers and owners across all four brands. For the past few months, we’ve been gathering your feedback through focus groups and two extensive online surveys. Your responses were highly informative and some even surprising. We listened to those responses, and our design team made changes to key features to incorporate your input. In fact, any survey response that garnered a greater than 70% rating was automatically incorporated into our new products. When we say, ”a coach designed by you, for you,” we mean it.
Interestingly, despite owning different brands, most of you asked for the same features in a new coach design. The only slight difference being that Beaver owners asked for specific wood species and unique furniture/trim design. Otherwise, the responses were similar and have guided our design.
Many of you shared that you’d like more counter space and additional pantry storage in the kitchen area. You expressed your interest in having a smart steering wheel and a premium audio system. Many also indicated they prefer to keep the side exhaust. This is just a sampling of the great input we received from you that we’re applying in our new designs.
We’re excited to announce, based on your input, we’re making a “Return to Power.” For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings. Beginning with the 600-hp rollout in January, you’ll also start seeing 500-hp, 450-hp, 380-hp and 300-hp models. Watch closely over the next few weeks for more about our “Return to Power.”
Part of our 2015 product line will feature the all-new Roadmaster chassis. This gives us the ability to offer big-bore Cummins engines and a new world-class independent front suspension system. This is not an “off-the-shelf” standard rail chassis. Our engineers collaborated closely with Freightliner Custom Chassis Corp. to offer a redesigned Roadmaster chassis with unique modifications and tuning that gives you the ride and handling you’re expecting from our brands.
We realize you’re anxious to see our new products, and we’re anxious to introduce them to you. But at the same time, we all know that crafting well-designed, high-quality products is not something you can rush. We’re creating products that are unique and special in the industry, not cookie-cutter. ASV has invested in our brands and is giving us the time and resources we need to create a stellar product line-up.

I stand by my statement. Navistar was buying Cummins ISX engines for it's trucks. By this time Navistar had decided to sell the RV business and so did not develop any new products. They had the HP available they just chose not to go forward.

Email from Mike Snell this weekend, he stands by his statement too...
We're excited to announce, based on your input, we're making a "Return to Power." For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings. Preview the 2015 Dynasty!
You won't have to wait too long to see one of the first new Monaco products. We invite you to join us for an exclusive viewing of our all-new 600 horsepower luxury diesel motorcoach, at the Monaco 2015 Return to Power Preview Rally. The rally will take place at the Camping Resort located at Charlotte Motor Speedway on January 7-9, 2014. While you're there, take a tour of Freightliner Custom Chassis, a state-of-the-art facility where certain components of the All-New Roadmaster chassis are built. The event is sure to be a memorable one with complimentary dinners, seminars and shuttle service to the factory tour. Space is limited, so be sure to register today.

univmd wrote:

steveownby wrote:

univmd wrote:
ASV believes that Navistar failed with Monaco because it did not have any 500 or 600 hp luxury engines for loyal Monaco owners to upgrade to, and also because the Roadmaster chassis has not been updated for years, like Freightliner and Spartan. Looks like ASV believes Roadmaster is inferior to Freightliner and Spartan.

Navistar had access to the Cummins ISX so a lack of horsepower was not a problem. Navistar had much bigger problems to deal with when they couldn't get their heavy haulers approved by EPA.

The Roadmaster chassis particularly the S Series semimonoco chassis was always expensive to build and the decision to abandon it was purely economic.

Wrong. "For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings."

Snell: Holiday Rambler, Monaco Return to Power
November 15, 2013 by RV Business
Mike Snell
Editor’s Note: The following is a “Letter to Owners” from Mike Snell, president of Monaco and Holiday Rambler, that appeared in the company’s e-newsletter. Snell outlines the changes and the progress Monaco and Holiday Rambler have accomplished since being acquired by Allied Specialty Vehicle Inc., including a “Return to Power” with big bore engines built on an all-new Roadmaster chassis
Nearly five months ago, on May 16, Monaco and Holiday Rambler, along with Beaver and Safari, started a new journey under Allied Specialty Vehicles. The first part of that journey involved making some tough, but necessary decisions to ensure the continuation of the brands.
One of those decisions was moving production and service from Wakarusa, Ind., to Decatur. Much of the work force was given the option to transfer to Decatur. We also worked with the company who purchased our Wakarusa facility to transition some employees to their operations. With a strong local economy and thoughtful transition planning, the overall impact to the area has been minimal.
Another critical decision was to maintain distinct product DNA for each brand and to keep our engineering, design and product development teams intact. In order to do that, we opened a facility in Elkhart where our design teams have their own dedicated design area and shop. The entire team has been feverishly working over the last few months to bring you innovative, new features, great floorplans and stunning designs.
We believe in designing quality products that fulfill our owners’ needs and desires; therefore our design process is a true collaboration between our engineers and owners across all four brands. For the past few months, we’ve been gathering your feedback through focus groups and two extensive online surveys. Your responses were highly informative and some even surprising. We listened to those responses, and our design team made changes to key features to incorporate your input. In fact, any survey response that garnered a greater than 70% rating was automatically incorporated into our new products. When we say, ”a coach designed by you, for you,” we mean it.
Interestingly, despite owning different brands, most of you asked for the same features in a new coach design. The only slight difference being that Beaver owners asked for specific wood species and unique furniture/trim design. Otherwise, the responses were similar and have guided our design.
Many of you shared that you’d like more counter space and additional pantry storage in the kitchen area. You expressed your interest in having a smart steering wheel and a premium audio system. Many also indicated they prefer to keep the side exhaust. This is just a sampling of the great input we received from you that we’re applying in our new designs.
We’re excited to announce, based on your input, we’re making a “Return to Power.” For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings. Beginning with the 600-hp rollout in January, you’ll also start seeing 500-hp, 450-hp, 380-hp and 300-hp models. Watch closely over the next few weeks for more about our “Return to Power.”
Part of our 2015 product line will feature the all-new Roadmaster chassis. This gives us the ability to offer big-bore Cummins engines and a new world-class independent front suspension system. This is not an “off-the-shelf” standard rail chassis. Our engineers collaborated closely with Freightliner Custom Chassis Corp. to offer a redesigned Roadmaster chassis with unique modifications and tuning that gives you the ride and handling you’re expecting from our brands.
We realize you’re anxious to see our new products, and we’re anxious to introduce them to you. But at the same time, we all know that crafting well-designed, high-quality products is not something you can rush. We’re creating products that are unique and special in the industry, not cookie-cutter. ASV has invested in our brands and is giving us the time and resources we need to create a stellar product line-up.

I stand by my statement. Navistar was buying Cummins ISX engines for it's trucks. By this time Navistar had decided to sell the RV business and so did not develop any new products. They had the HP available they just chose not to go forward.

steveownby wrote:

univmd wrote:
ASV believes that Navistar failed with Monaco because it did not have any 500 or 600 hp luxury engines for loyal Monaco owners to upgrade to, and also because the Roadmaster chassis has not been updated for years, like Freightliner and Spartan. Looks like ASV believes Roadmaster is inferior to Freightliner and Spartan.

Navistar had access to the Cummins ISX so a lack of horsepower was not a problem. Navistar had much bigger problems to deal with when they couldn't get their heavy haulers approved by EPA.

The Roadmaster chassis particularly the S Series semimonoco chassis was always expensive to build and the decision to abandon it was purely economic.

Wrong. "For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings."

Snell: Holiday Rambler, Monaco Return to Power
November 15, 2013 by RV Business
Mike Snell
Editor’s Note: The following is a “Letter to Owners” from Mike Snell, president of Monaco and Holiday Rambler, that appeared in the company’s e-newsletter. Snell outlines the changes and the progress Monaco and Holiday Rambler have accomplished since being acquired by Allied Specialty Vehicle Inc., including a “Return to Power” with big bore engines built on an all-new Roadmaster chassis
Nearly five months ago, on May 16, Monaco and Holiday Rambler, along with Beaver and Safari, started a new journey under Allied Specialty Vehicles. The first part of that journey involved making some tough, but necessary decisions to ensure the continuation of the brands.
One of those decisions was moving production and service from Wakarusa, Ind., to Decatur. Much of the work force was given the option to transfer to Decatur. We also worked with the company who purchased our Wakarusa facility to transition some employees to their operations. With a strong local economy and thoughtful transition planning, the overall impact to the area has been minimal.
Another critical decision was to maintain distinct product DNA for each brand and to keep our engineering, design and product development teams intact. In order to do that, we opened a facility in Elkhart where our design teams have their own dedicated design area and shop. The entire team has been feverishly working over the last few months to bring you innovative, new features, great floorplans and stunning designs.
We believe in designing quality products that fulfill our owners’ needs and desires; therefore our design process is a true collaboration between our engineers and owners across all four brands. For the past few months, we’ve been gathering your feedback through focus groups and two extensive online surveys. Your responses were highly informative and some even surprising. We listened to those responses, and our design team made changes to key features to incorporate your input. In fact, any survey response that garnered a greater than 70% rating was automatically incorporated into our new products. When we say, ”a coach designed by you, for you,” we mean it.
Interestingly, despite owning different brands, most of you asked for the same features in a new coach design. The only slight difference being that Beaver owners asked for specific wood species and unique furniture/trim design. Otherwise, the responses were similar and have guided our design.
Many of you shared that you’d like more counter space and additional pantry storage in the kitchen area. You expressed your interest in having a smart steering wheel and a premium audio system. Many also indicated they prefer to keep the side exhaust. This is just a sampling of the great input we received from you that we’re applying in our new designs.
We’re excited to announce, based on your input, we’re making a “Return to Power.” For the past five years, engine restrictions kept us from offering big-bore engines, which limited our product offerings. Beginning with the 600-hp rollout in January, you’ll also start seeing 500-hp, 450-hp, 380-hp and 300-hp models. Watch closely over the next few weeks for more about our “Return to Power.”
Part of our 2015 product line will feature the all-new Roadmaster chassis. This gives us the ability to offer big-bore Cummins engines and a new world-class independent front suspension system. This is not an “off-the-shelf” standard rail chassis. Our engineers collaborated closely with Freightliner Custom Chassis Corp. to offer a redesigned Roadmaster chassis with unique modifications and tuning that gives you the ride and handling you’re expecting from our brands.
We realize you’re anxious to see our new products, and we’re anxious to introduce them to you. But at the same time, we all know that crafting well-designed, high-quality products is not something you can rush. We’re creating products that are unique and special in the industry, not cookie-cutter. ASV has invested in our brands and is giving us the time and resources we need to create a stellar product line-up.

You can get a travel ride chassis from Fortravel that will ride like your old Monocos. Last one really making that type of chassis. It is expensive to make.

univmd wrote:
ASV believes that Navistar failed with Monaco because it did not have any 500 or 600 hp luxury engines for loyal Monaco owners to upgrade to, and also because the Roadmaster chassis has not been updated for years, like Freightliner and Spartan. Looks like ASV believes Roadmaster is inferior to Freightliner and Spartan.

Navistar had access to the Cummins ISX so a lack of horsepower was not a problem. Navistar had much bigger problems to deal with when they couldn't get their heavy haulers approved by EPA.

The Roadmaster chassis particularly the S Series semimonoco chassis was always expensive to build and the decision to abandon it was purely economic.

ASV believes that Navistar failed with Monaco because it did not have any 500 or 600 hp luxury engines for loyal Monaco owners to upgrade to, and also because the Roadmaster chassis has not been updated for years, like Freightliner and Spartan. Looks like ASV believes Roadmaster is inferior to Freightliner and Spartan.

Yep they are dif, we have a 09,montclair,by Monaco, 29ft, ours looks great. Drives like a dream , for me.finaly got 18k on the clock. And now it's all happy-camping

My understanding from earlier forum threads is that the roadmaster chassis is no more. They have destroyed all the manufacturing molds and equipment and written it off. From now on any chassis that are on Monaco coaches will be Freighliner. It is the end of an incredible chassis. I love mine.
Steve

I was in Decator last month and they are not close to getting started on Monaco build. A building has not been picked yet for the build among the many Fleetwood buildings in town. No employees on pay roll yet. So it will be awhile, and yes the chassis will be like every one else, Freightliner.