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rgatijnet1 wrote:
et2 wrote:
You seem preoccupied with the signs and his speed and I don't understand why.
You don't think that a TDOT warning sign about lane blockage, two miles before the accident, was important?
Just exactly what signs do you think are important when you drive on roads shared with other drivers?
Sure it is. How often to you see it being obeyed? What criteria is there for obeying it? Move over immediately, move over when possible, wait to the last minute? I wasn't there to see or determine what the situation was. Most road blockages I've ever been in are ignored until the last second by people all the time. But to say that's the determining factor as to why this happened your just speculating.
Just wondering if you have ever done anything questionable driving? I'm pretty sure we all have. As far as I'm concerned, if I were this guy I'd want to be tried in court and not by the media and spectators. One thing I would have never have done if it were me was say anything to the cops or the media. This is a good example of what happens when you do.et2 wrote:
You seem preoccupied with the signs and his speed and I don't understand why.
You don't think that a TDOT warning sign about lane blockage, two miles before the accident, was important?
Just exactly what signs do you think are important when you drive on roads shared with other drivers?rgatijnet1 wrote:
et2 wrote:
I see some have fell into the media frenzy, I'd like to know how after the fact you all know he failed to slow Down? It would be prudent to take hearsay as a grain of salt. It's not admissible in a court of law.
I think the fact that he hit the trooper is proof that he did not slow down enough to avoid hitting something.
The Tennessee Department of Transportation(TDOT, not the media) said that warning signs were put out two miles before the accident so you decide if he heeded those warnings or not. He obviously did not move over so all that is left is that he did not slow down or stop, unless you want to take the position that the TDOT is lying.
I saw the article posted and the video. My comment on what was said was in another of my responses here. It is hearsay unless there's irrefutable evidence to the claims. Was he clocked on radar? You can hit something or someone at any speed and cause harm or death. A human body doesn't fair too well against 30,000 lbs hitting them or running them over. That is what I understand happened, he was hit and killed. The rest is for the crime seen people and lawyers to figure out. You seem preoccupied with the signs and his speed and I don't understand why.
Comments by the media or police don't have determination as to what actually happened. It's hearsay. Why he didn't get over, his speed, how the officer was hit, why he was hit, when he was hit, all associated details of the defendant, etc, etc, will be determined in a court room.
I haven't heard enough in that article to hang this guy. Gotta admit though, it makes for great drama and TV ratings.et2 wrote:
I see some have fell into the media frenzy, I'd like to know how after the fact you all know he failed to slow Down? It would be prudent to take hearsay as a grain of salt. It's not admissible in a court of law.
I think the fact that he hit the trooper is proof that he did not slow down enough to avoid hitting something.
The Tennessee Department of Transportation(TDOT, not the media) said that warning signs were put out two miles before the accident so you decide if he heeded those warnings or not. He obviously did not move over so all that is left is that he did not slow down or stop, unless you want to take the position that the TDOT is lying.rgatijnet1 wrote:
Bumpyroad wrote:
rgatijnet1 wrote:
The warning signs did not say that they dropped the speed limit. The signs said that the lanes were CLOSED ahead. Closed means closed/blocked/impassable, etc. It does not mean that if you go slower or faster that you can get through that lane. It means that if you want to continue in that direction, at any speed, that you will have to move to another lane.
so you are saying that they did not lower the speed limit leading up to the closed lane area? that doesn't seem too bright to me.
bumpy
Have you ever read any of the "move over" signs in the various states? Almost to the letter they all say "Move over OR slow down".
Here is the Tennessee law since that is the state we are talking about and since anyone driving in that state should be familiar with the law. It also clearly states to move over OR, to alternately slow down. An officer was killed because the RV did not move over OR slow down sufficiently even tho he was warned two miles in advance. Tennessee move over law
This was a preventable accident and I feel sorry for the driver of the RV but I feel more sorry for the family of the officer who lost his life.
I see some have fell into the media frenzy, I'd like to know how after the fact you all know he failed to slow Down? It would be prudent to take hearsay as a grain of salt. It's not admissible in a court of law.rgatijnet1 wrote:
In a nine year period of time, Tennessee issued over 9,300 citations for driver's who refused to move over, or slow down.
to be meaningful, your statistics should separate those cited for not moving over for a police or emergency vehicle stopped on the shoulder and those who ran into the rear of them stopped on the highway. I mean, move over or slow down does not sound to me like it is a blocked lane, does it now since if the lane was blocked the only choice would be to move over, not continue on slower in the same lane.
bumpy- In a nine year period of time, Tennessee issued over 9,300 citations for driver's who refused to move over, or slow down. I guess we all have to make our own choice as to what we would do if we read a warning sign about a lane closure. We could just continue on ahead and assume that the sign is a mistake or slow down until we know for sure what the problem is. The sign DOES NOT say "on the shoulder" it simply says the obvious, which is that if there is an emergency vehicle, you slow down or move over. 9,300 people ignored the law, and were issued citations. How many of those 9,300 caused accidents, I don't know. Obviously Tennessee, like many other states are concerned about the danger to emergency workers and have TRIED to write laws to deal with the problem. Also obvious is that Tennessee enforces the law as 9,300 citations indicates. I guess the next step is for those of use that drive the highways, with RV's that are less than maneuverable, to decide for ourselves if we want to ignore the laws, ignore the warning signs, or use a little common sense to deal with the unknown dangers ahead for us on the highways. Tennessee move over citations.
rgatijnet1 wrote:
Tennessee move over law
where I have seen this inforced was where there was a law officer or emergency vehicle stopping ON THE SHOULDER. not with a blocked lane. it is sort of obvious to me that if a lane is blocked you really have no choice to move over and to only slow down won't help much.
bumpy- I am certain he didn't mean to kill anyone but it really seems like he screwed up. This smells of an example case if he's found guilty. Have any formal charges been filed?
Bumpyroad wrote:
rgatijnet1 wrote:
The warning signs did not say that they dropped the speed limit. The signs said that the lanes were CLOSED ahead. Closed means closed/blocked/impassable, etc. It does not mean that if you go slower or faster that you can get through that lane. It means that if you want to continue in that direction, at any speed, that you will have to move to another lane.
so you are saying that they did not lower the speed limit leading up to the closed lane area? that doesn't seem too bright to me.
bumpy
Have you ever read any of the "move over" signs in the various states? Almost to the letter they all say "Move over OR slow down".
Here is the Tennessee law since that is the state we are talking about and since anyone driving in that state should be familiar with the law. It also clearly states to move over OR, to alternately slow down. An officer was killed because the RV did not move over OR slow down sufficiently even tho he was warned two miles in advance. Tennessee move over law
This was a preventable accident and I feel sorry for the driver of the RV but I feel more sorry for the family of the officer who lost his life.
