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RobertRyan
Nov 16, 2013Explorer
Thanks for the replies, lot of misconceptions in definitions and what things are like Overseas.
No what you have is a RWD Class C Motorhome that goes down graded dirt roads which was my point earlier A Rock Crawler is something like a modified Jeep that crawls up rocks, with no payload.
Class C 4 X4 Motorhomes can easily do extreme Off Roading or "aggressive roving in the wilderness" not "rock crawling" which would be a waste of time and resources.
No you do not have "plenty" as Carringb pointed out most people in the US travel on paved roads in the Wilderness, Not that applicable here. There are about 2 or maybe 3 Off Road Class B manufacturers in the US, Sportsmobile and Tiger being them.
What your describing is what a lot of People would do, but they may go through Mud in their pickups or SUV's. I get the impression they are firetrails and you need to remove dead branches, rock slides etc
Not an Expedition vehicle here but a Class B 4 X4 Motorhome
Would normally agree with you, but the Springs dampers and axles have been changed to give them a SUV ride, much smoother than a F250. You also have air seats as well. No they are very comfortable over very long distances Off Road.
Would not touch an Argosy with a barge pole if you want to go Off Road. Yes Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are the only markets they sell them in, but as a Cabover road vehicle. Freightliner is not tat popular here.
Australia and New Zealand are extremely safe places to Camp unlike North America or Europe. No Carnivores, nothing to hunt you. No Bears, Wolves, or large animals like a territorial moose. Yes there are snakes(just like the US)and Spiders. That is about it. Most common cause of fatalities in the Australia wilderness are deaths from the European honeybee and someone falling off a cliff or a car accident, people get bitten by snakes but a death is extremely rare. Oh Yes we do have Crocodiles(think alligators in the Everglades) in the extreme north and sharks, but fatalities from them are a lot less than from injuries and deaths from Bears in North America.
EarthRoamer build Expedition vehicles that are mainly limited to the Americas. No that practical anywhere else. They are limited to the terrain they can go Off Road, but do have diesel engines unlike Sportsmobile.
Pnichols wrote:
Robert,
Maybe what you're calling "offroad" in reference to your expedition vehicle photos and discussions is close to what we call "rock crawling" here in the States.
Of course my Class C, or no Class C, can do that kind of aggressive roving around in the wilderness
No what you have is a RWD Class C Motorhome that goes down graded dirt roads which was my point earlier A Rock Crawler is something like a modified Jeep that crawls up rocks, with no payload.
Class C 4 X4 Motorhomes can easily do extreme Off Roading or "aggressive roving in the wilderness" not "rock crawling" which would be a waste of time and resources.
For what it's worth, there are plenty of U.S. Class B 4X4 models on the retail market than can come pretty close to rock crawling and still provide an indoor shower when you get there - but at far, far less dollars then those expedition looking vehicles
No you do not have "plenty" as Carringb pointed out most people in the US travel on paved roads in the Wilderness, Not that applicable here. There are about 2 or maybe 3 Off Road Class B manufacturers in the US, Sportsmobile and Tiger being them.
Yes, I do call what my pickup was doing in my photo the beginning of "offroad". Perhaps you should have seen the 30%-plus side-tipped grades in the ravines that we had to travel shortly after that river crossing shot. I do this kind of stuff several times a year performing volunteer maintenance in a California outback wilderness park where only backpackers/hikers are allowed except via special vehicle permits for us volunteers.
What your describing is what a lot of People would do, but they may go through Mud in their pickups or SUV's. I get the impression they are firetrails and you need to remove dead branches, rock slides etc
Caringhb wrote:
Carringb
For somebody needing a true expedition vehicle, the most popular choice an an E350 Sportsmobile
Not an Expedition vehicle here but a Class B 4 X4 Motorhome
Carringb wrote:
I've spent enough time driving Japanese cabovers I know I would not want one for an RV chassis
Would normally agree with you, but the Springs dampers and axles have been changed to give them a SUV ride, much smoother than a F250. You also have air seats as well. No they are very comfortable over very long distances Off Road.
Carringb wrote:
That said.... my long term plan right now is to make build a Dakar-style Frightliner Argossy all terrain motorhome. I like cabovers for some uses, but not the little cab forward trucks
Would not touch an Argosy with a barge pole if you want to go Off Road. Yes Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are the only markets they sell them in, but as a Cabover road vehicle. Freightliner is not tat popular here.
Carringb wrote:
PS the fold-out patios are a neat feature, but since not everything on the ground is trying to kill us on this continent, it's not as important.
Australia and New Zealand are extremely safe places to Camp unlike North America or Europe. No Carnivores, nothing to hunt you. No Bears, Wolves, or large animals like a territorial moose. Yes there are snakes(just like the US)and Spiders. That is about it. Most common cause of fatalities in the Australia wilderness are deaths from the European honeybee and someone falling off a cliff or a car accident, people get bitten by snakes but a death is extremely rare. Oh Yes we do have Crocodiles(think alligators in the Everglades) in the extreme north and sharks, but fatalities from them are a lot less than from injuries and deaths from Bears in North America.
Pnichols wrote:
Thanks for bringing up Earthroamer ... I neglected to mention them. The ER models are similar to (but go beyond) what could perhaps be custom built by Tiger for customers. ER models seem to include more extreme systems engineering and marine products in them than Tigers do, however
EarthRoamer build Expedition vehicles that are mainly limited to the Americas. No that practical anywhere else. They are limited to the terrain they can go Off Road, but do have diesel engines unlike Sportsmobile.
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