Oven space for dishwasher

Begs the question...Why?:h

Two plates, two forks, two knives, maybe two spoons and two glasses....two gallons of water to wash and rinse vs a dishwasher using up to 12 gallons each time it's used. Then there's the weight, 60# and power usage. If you or your SO like to cook, removing the oven seems counter-productive...Things to consider.

Since there's different strokes for different folks, to be able to accurately answer your question, it depends on the type and model of dishwasher you're considering. A countertop is about the size of a microwave but I'm assuming you're looking at a slimline. Every mfg posts specs on their units. Measure twice and cut once. Only you can determine how much effort will be spent with the changeout....Dennis

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Begs the question...Why?:h

Two plates, two forks, two knives, maybe two spoons and two glasses....two gallons of water to wash and rinse vs a dishwasher using up to 12 gallons each time it's used. Then there's the weight, 60# and power usage. If you or your SO like to cook, removing the oven seems counter-productive...Things to consider.

Since there's different strokes for different folks, to be able to accurately answer your question, it depends on the type and model of dishwasher you're considering. A countertop is about the size of a microwave but I'm assuming you're looking at a slimline. Every mfg posts specs on their units. Measure twice and cut once. Only you can determine how much effort will be spent with the changeout....Dennis

I like cake and pie. My DW bakes great. I am keeping my oven. What about the
Plumbing changes?

Executive wrote:
Begs the question...Why?:h

Two plates, two forks, two knives, maybe two spoons and two glasses....two gallons of water to wash and rinse vs a dishwasher using up to 12 gallons each time it's used. Then there's the weight, 60# and power usage. If you or your SO like to cook, removing the oven seems counter-productive...Things to consider.

Since there's different strokes for different folks, to be able to accurately answer your question, it depends on the type and model of dishwasher you're considering. A countertop is about the size of a microwave but I'm assuming you're looking at a slimline. Every mfg posts specs on their units. Measure twice and cut once. Only you can determine how much effort will be spent with the changeout....Dennis

I know it is supposed to work that way but we seem to generate 5 times the amount of dishes that you would normally think! My biggest challenge is finding a stand alone gas range that will fit on top of the dishwasher.

I'm interested in the responses. Washing dishes by hand while not terribly cumbersome, takes counter space especially if you don't have a dual sink. Then they sit there taking up precious counter space while they dry - usually in time for the next meal to dirty more dishes. I have very little counter space and it's easily filled up with meal prep or dishes, not enough room for both. There are reasons why every S&B home has a dishwasher. It's a nice place to wash and dry dishes leaving counter space for other things. I would much rather have a dishwasher than an oven. We've used our oven a total of 3 times in 3 years. I wash dishes several times a day.

I seem to remember http://www.jackdanmayer.com/ these folks did what your are wanting to do with one of their 5th wheels. You'll need to go back through their archives to locate a post about adding a dishwater or send them a message.

I don't think you'll be able to just remove the oven. It is made as a unit with the cooktop.

When you are out for several months at a time dishes, silverware and pans do get greasy. Year before last I utilized the cabinet below the cooktop by removing the doors and shelf on our 2007 HR Endeavor. I tapped into the microwave circuit for 110V thinking I wouldn't every use the microwave and dishwasher at the same time. Water hookup was simple. The drain line was a bear trying to find a place for tap in. I finally snaked in around to a grey water clean out under the sink. Install required some wood working but not a lot.

It was really nice to have clean dishes, etc.

I think it should be doable.

You would of course need to figure out routing of water supply and drain lines, and provide for an electrical connection. It might also be worth investigating what is underneath the space where the oven currently is; on my motorhome, that's the main electrical panel, which it would probably be best to avoid getting wet, so some sort of shield or diverter in case of overflow would (in my case, at least) be a good idea.

I think you could fit a countertop dishwasher in its place pretty easily. They generally only use about 3 gallons per washing. Seems like a good idea. Post pictures if you do it.

We didn't actually buy our coach because it had a dishwasher instead of an oven, but, it wasn't an issue for us. We've never used the LP ovens in our previous RVs... We do just fine using the convection microwave and the counter top Breville toaster oven. We initially thought we wouldn't use the dishwasher, just the two of us and it isn't a big deal to handwash (her) and dry (me) the few dishes that we use. However, we like stir-fry and that generates a lot of dishes; load them up in the dishwasher and let it run. The new dishwashers are quite efficient (the unit we have uses as little as 2 gallons per cycle) and is no more an energy hog than the washer/dryer that we've come to appreciate or any of the other "electric gizmos" that proliferate in most newer rigs (we've got 4 televisions...why?) So, yes, for the most part we hand wash and dry, but, for those times when we are heavy on dishes or entertaining and don't want to take away from the visit by washing in front of our guests, or having a pile of dirty dishes sitting there until they leave, we can throw everything into the dishwasher and go back to "visiting". The dishwasher is incredibly quiet; most times we can't even tell it is running. Another plus to not having the LP oven, we have an induction cooktop in place of the LP burners. The induction cooktop cooks quicker and doesn't heat up the interior of the coach (induction only heats what is in the pot/pan; no radiant heat). The benefits of induction cooktops is another thread...we have one in the sticks and bricks and we love the one in our coach and having one in any future coaches will be a "must".

Now that we've had one (a dishwasher in lieu of an LP oven), we'll always have one. If we buy a new coach that has an LP oven with associated LP burners, part of the "buying deal" will be to have it/them removed and a dishwasher and induction cooktop installed in place of it/them. There are those that swear by their LP ovens and how wonderful they cook, but, we've been using convection ovens for so many years, there isn't anything that we can't cook in them from cakes to turkeys and everything in between and cook them faster. Add in the Breville toaster oven and we haven't run into anything we can't handle.

That's just us though...lots of different opinions out there, but, I'm seeing more and more of the dishwashers and induction cook tops showing up, not only in high end rigs, but, more economical coaches and 5vers. Looked at a bumper pull the other day and it was also outfitted with the big convection/microwave, induction cooktop and a dishwasher. If it were us, we'd make the conversion without a second thought. Usually the oven is right next to the sink, plumbing hookups can be done with "T" adapters spliced in. Power may be more of an issue, but, you may find that the microwave power line is accessible.

If I had an oven I would much prefer a dishwasher. The Fisher/Paykel drawer unit uses about 2 gallons per cycle.
I believe the OP understands he would not be able to remove the oven only as he mentions he would need to add a cooktop. It sounds like and easy change out if the dimensions work out. The OP can find all the cut off requirements on line by download the various installation manuals for the equipment he is interested in. Extending the countertop to cover the new opening would be easy and adding a drain for the new washer should not be difficult either.