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Mar 23, 2015

Passed on a used coach today, did I make the right decision?

Okay, so today I did my first ever inspection on a private sale RV that I was seriously considering buying. It was 1989 Toyota Dolphin, 4 cylinder, new transmission, only 75 K miles, for just under $10,000 firm. The thing had had "6 thousand" dollars worth of repairs done in the past by a previous owner. New paint job (well done), new transmission, new flooring (wood laminate), lots of resealing done everywhere/around the cab(but could tell there was a little rust in one corner from exterior), new roof ac, maybe even a new interior ceiling too. The inside was beautiful, very clean, no bad smells. Floor was solid, interior roof was solid for the most part, except for maybe in a few small areas. Pretty much, you could tell the entire RV had had a ton of expensive/serious work done to it. Current owner however had only owned the RV for a month before she decided to sell it because she decided RVing "wasnt for her".

However, when I looked up at the exterior roof, it looked like dog poop. The thin sheet of fiberglass or whatever material is used was totally delaminated from the wood underneath, and was wavy everywhere. Discolored too. I could push down and have it pop down/up all over the place. However, the wood underneath seemed totally solid, and not squishy. Then on the inside, I found in one of the roof/sidewall cabinets, a grapefruit sized patch where the wood was rotted. The hole that had rotted that wood from the roof had just been sealed earlier that day before I saw it, and was told it was a pinhole sized hole. Those two things were enough for me to just walk away and not investigate any further for any more rotted wood areas inside. The exterior sides and back of the coach felt totally solid though and looked good. The generator had trouble starting, but did start after three tries and sounded good, but there was a significant amount of liquid coming out of the exhaust. Anyway, was the exterior roof issue and small patch of rotted wood enough to walk away from this coach? If everything else had been spot on, would it have been worth it? Or worth it to try and haggle the price down?

Overall, it was a very informative experience I'd say, and I am just a little closer to owning an RV.

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  • I'm not suggesting they are a good RV to purchase now, but I'm amazed at how many of these rigs are still on the road. Passed a couple just this week.

    For vehicles everyone claims are junk, they sure have had longevity.
  • I'm still new myself, but I just picked up an 85 Chevy Dolphin for $5500, and even then, it might have been a little much. There is no water damage, and I just took it to the mechanic down the road for a complete check over. So far, I am looking at around $2K just for stuff like flushing/replacing filter on the tranny, front wheel bearings, rear pinion seal, plus even though they look good, they highly recommended new tires due to seperation starting. Out of all of the Class C's we looked at in our area this one was the cleanest of all...And boy did we look. Still looking into putting a roof coating on the original roof (metal roof)just to be on the safe side. There aren't any leaks so far, but I dont want to temp fate on a 30 year old rig.

    I think you did best by passing. Just because you put a bunch of upgrades on a pinto, it is still a pinto.....

    J
  • You absolutely made the right decision. As previously stated, they were overloaded when new and were just a disaster. Now you have a 37 year old vehicle and a RV with water intrusion issues for $10,000!!!!!! WOW! It is probably worth $1500!!!!!

    Why don't you look at Cruise America's purchase program. Those units are high mileage, yes, but are very well maintained and have a warranty that is almost like a new unit. They are nicely refurbished, too.

    www.cruiseamerica.com
  • Golden_HVAC wrote:


    AS stated above it is 36 years old, and soon will be 37. If it has roof problems, that can add another $5,000 in repairs that you can not recover and pass along to the next owner.





    How do you guys come up with 36 years if it's a 1989 model?
  • While I could agree that the prior owners put in more than $6000 in repairs, that does not make a $4,000 RV worth $10,000. Sure the transmission cost them $1,000 or $2,000 to repair or replace. Yet without the working transmission, they would have a RV that is suited for the junkyard, so it was a investment to make it roadworthy again, not something that you need to pay retail for it.

    You can expect this RV to wear out some more, and be expecting things like needing a new radiator, or water pump, or other costly things that will need repair in the next few years.

    AS stated above it is 36 years old, and soon will be 37. If it has roof problems, that can add another $5,000 in repairs that you can not recover and pass along to the next owner.

    You can find lots of class C's in the 1990's that might even have a slide out, be built well below it's GVWR, and have the ability to carry your camping stuff! And a 1990's RV will have some resale value left in it 5 years from now. Think of who might want to buy this 45 year old RV in a few years? You might never be able to sell it. .

    Good luck!

    Fred.
  • Friends owned one for a while, and here's a couple living in one, just did a bunch of repairs.

    I'd agree, those old toyota motorhomes were overloaded and under-powered units. Plus any delam on the roof is just not worth it unless you are REALLY handy, and the price was way lower.

    Never understand why people will fix up inside if the roof is failing - on a home OR an RV.

    Good luck on your search!
  • donn0128 wrote:
    Those things were overloaded accidents waiting to happen when brand new. 10K would have been about 9.5K over priced. Yea, you made the right decision.


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  • NemoScopes wrote:
    Okay, so today I did my first ever inspection on a private sale RV that I was seriously considering buying. It was 1989 Toyota Dolphin, 4 cylinder, new transmission, only 75 K miles, for just under $10,000 firm. The thing had had "6 thousand" dollars worth of repairs done in the past by a previous owner. New paint job (well done), new transmission, new flooring (wood laminate), lots of resealing done everywhere/around the cab(but could tell there was a little rust in one corner from exterior), new roof ac, maybe even a new interior ceiling too. The inside was beautiful, very clean, no bad smells. Floor was solid, interior roof was solid for the most part, except for maybe in a few small areas. Pretty much, you could tell the entire RV had had a ton of expensive/serious work done to it. Current owner however had only owned the RV for a month before she decided to sell it because she decided RVing "wasnt for her".

    However, when I looked up at the exterior roof, it looked like dog poop. The thin sheet of fiberglass or whatever material is used was totally delaminated from the wood underneath, and was wavy everywhere. Discolored too. I could push down and have it pop down/up all over the place. However, the wood underneath seemed totally solid, and not squishy. Then on the inside, I found in one of the roof/sidewall cabinets, a grapefruit sized patch where the wood was rotted. The hole that had rotted that wood from the roof had just been sealed earlier that day before I saw it, and was told it was a pinhole sized hole. Those two things were enough for me to just walk away and not investigate any further for any more rotted wood areas inside. The exterior sides and back of the coach felt totally solid though and looked good. The generator had trouble starting, but did start after three tries and sounded good, but there was a significant amount of liquid coming out of the exhaust. Anyway, was the exterior roof issue and small patch of rotted wood enough to walk away from this coach? If everything else had been spot on, would it have been worth it? Or worth it to try and haggle the price down?

    Overall, it was a very informative experience I'd say, and I am just a little closer to owning an RV.
    My concern would be paying $10,000 for a 36 year old Toyota. Toyota makes good vehicles, but anything 35 years old is going to need multiple repairs and parts are going to become more and more scarce. Same with the RV components. Unless you are very handy and can make modern square pegs fit into 36 year old round holes, every repair on the RV is going to be a bumpy ride. I don't really like offering pricing opinions on RVs, sight unseen but I wouldn't have given it a first look to begin with at the price they were quoting.
  • Those things were overloaded accidents waiting to happen when brand new. 10K would have been about 9.5K over priced. Yea, you made the right decision.
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However, when I looked up at the exterior roof, it looked like dog poop. The thin sheet of fiberglass or whatever material is used was totally delaminated from the wood underneath, and was wavy everywhere. Discolored too. I could push down and have it pop down/up all over the place. However, the wood underneath seemed totally solid, and not squishy. Then on the inside, I found in one of the roof/sidewall cabinets, a grapefruit sized patch where the wood was rotted. The hole that had rotted that wood from the roof had just been sealed earlier that day before I saw it, and was told it was a pinhole sized hole. Those two things were enough for me to just walk away and not investigate any further for any more rotted wood areas inside. The exterior sides and back of the coach felt totally solid though and looked good. The generator had trouble starting, but did start after three tries and sounded good, but there was a significant amount of liquid coming out of the exhaust. Anyway, was the exterior roof issue and small patch of rotted wood enough to walk away from this coach? If everything else had been spot on, would it have been worth it? Or worth it to try and haggle the price down?

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For vehicles everyone claims are junk, they sure have had longevity.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1716501_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:242374":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:242374","uid":242374,"login":"mahaney","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-03-15T21:07:51.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:242374"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1716500":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1716500","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1716500":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:242374"},"id":"message:1716500","revisionNum":1,"uid":1716500,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1716491"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1716491"},"subject":"Re: Passed on a used coach today, did I make the right decision?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1716500"},"body":"I'm still new myself, but I just picked up an 85 Chevy Dolphin for $5500, and even then, it might have been a little much. There is no water damage, and I just took it to the mechanic down the road for a complete check over. So far, I am looking at around $2K just for stuff like flushing/replacing filter on the tranny, front wheel bearings, rear pinion seal, plus even though they look good, they highly recommended new tires due to seperation starting. Out of all of the Class C's we looked at in our area this one was the cleanest of all...And boy did we look. Still looking into putting a roof coating on the original roof (metal roof)just to be on the safe side. There aren't any leaks so far, but I dont want to temp fate on a 30 year old rig.

I think you did best by passing. Just because you put a bunch of upgrades on a pinto, it is still a pinto.....

J","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-03-22T21:35:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-03-22T21:35:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":464},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1716491/message:1716500","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"886","rawBody":"I'm still new myself, but I just picked up an 85 Chevy Dolphin for $5500, and even then, it might have been a little much. There is no water damage, and I just took it to the mechanic down the road for a complete check over. So far, I am looking at around $2K just for stuff like flushing/replacing filter on the tranny, front wheel bearings, rear pinion seal, plus even though they look good, they highly recommended new tires due to seperation starting. Out of all of the Class C's we looked at in our area this one was the cleanest of all...And boy did we look. Still looking into putting a roof coating on the original roof (metal roof)just to be on the safe side. There aren't any leaks so far, but I dont want to temp fate on a 30 year old rig.

I think you did best by passing. Just because you put a bunch of upgrades on a pinto, it is still a pinto.....

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Why don't you look at Cruise America's purchase program. Those units are high mileage, yes, but are very well maintained and have a warranty that is almost like a new unit. They are nicely refurbished, too.

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Why don't you look at Cruise America's purchase program. Those units are high mileage, yes, but are very well maintained and have a warranty that is almost like a new unit. They are nicely refurbished, too.

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Golden_HVAC wrote:


AS stated above it is 36 years old, and soon will be 37. If it has roof problems, that can add another $5,000 in repairs that you can not recover and pass along to the next owner.





How do you guys come up with 36 years if it's a 1989 model?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-03-22T20:34:48.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-03-22T20:34:48.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":464},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1716491/message:1716498","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"336","rawBody":"
Golden_HVAC wrote:


AS stated above it is 36 years old, and soon will be 37. If it has roof problems, that can add another $5,000 in repairs that you can not recover and pass along to the next owner.





How do you guys come up with 36 years if it's a 1989 model?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1716498_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer 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Passed on a used coach today, did I make the right decision?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1716497"},"body":"You made the right 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made the right 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Passed on a used coach today, did I make the right decision?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1716496"},"body":"While I could agree that the prior owners put in more than $6000 in repairs, that does not make a $4,000 RV worth $10,000. Sure the transmission cost them $1,000 or $2,000 to repair or replace. Yet without the working transmission, they would have a RV that is suited for the junkyard, so it was a investment to make it roadworthy again, not something that you need to pay retail for it.

You can expect this RV to wear out some more, and be expecting things like needing a new radiator, or water pump, or other costly things that will need repair in the next few years.

AS stated above it is 36 years old, and soon will be 37. If it has roof problems, that can add another $5,000 in repairs that you can not recover and pass along to the next owner.

You can find lots of class C's in the 1990's that might even have a slide out, be built well below it's GVWR, and have the ability to carry your camping stuff! And a 1990's RV will have some resale value left in it 5 years from now. Think of who might want to buy this 45 year old RV in a few years? You might never be able to sell it. .

Good luck!

Fred.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-03-22T20:08:10.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-03-22T20:08:10.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":76},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1716491/message:1716496","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1169","rawBody":"While I could agree that the prior owners put in more than $6000 in repairs, that does not make a $4,000 RV worth $10,000. Sure the transmission cost them $1,000 or $2,000 to repair or replace. Yet without the working transmission, they would have a RV that is suited for the junkyard, so it was a investment to make it roadworthy again, not something that you need to pay retail for it.

You can expect this RV to wear out some more, and be expecting things like needing a new radiator, or water pump, or other costly things that will need repair in the next few years.

AS stated above it is 36 years old, and soon will be 37. If it has roof problems, that can add another $5,000 in repairs that you can not recover and pass along to the next owner.

You can find lots of class C's in the 1990's that might even have a slide out, be built well below it's GVWR, and have the ability to carry your camping stuff! And a 1990's RV will have some resale value left in it 5 years from now. Think of who might want to buy this 45 year old RV in a few years? You might never be able to sell it. .

Good luck!

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I'd agree, those old toyota motorhomes were overloaded and under-powered units. Plus any delam on the roof is just not worth it unless you are REALLY handy, and the price was way lower.

Never understand why people will fix up inside if the roof is failing - on a home OR an RV.

Good luck on your search!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-03-22T20:04:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-03-22T20:04:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":76},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1716491/message:1716495","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"554","rawBody":"Friends owned one for a while, and here's a couple living in one, just did a bunch of repairs.

I'd agree, those old toyota motorhomes were overloaded and under-powered units. Plus any delam on the roof is just not worth it unless you are REALLY handy, and the price was way lower.

Never understand why people will fix up inside if the roof is failing - on a home OR an RV.

Good luck on your search!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1716495_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:77667":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:77667","uid":77667,"login":"mr61impala","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-01-21T13:07:11.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:77667"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1716494":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1716494","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1716494":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:77667"},"id":"message:1716494","revisionNum":1,"uid":1716494,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1716491"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1716491"},"subject":"Re: Passed on a used coach today, did I make the right decision?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1716494"},"body":"
donn0128 wrote:
Those things were overloaded accidents waiting to happen when brand new. 10K would have been about 9.5K over priced. Yea, you made the right decision.


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donn0128 wrote:
Those things were overloaded accidents waiting to happen when brand new. 10K would have been about 9.5K over priced. Yea, you made the right decision.


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NemoScopes wrote:
Okay, so today I did my first ever inspection on a private sale RV that I was seriously considering buying. It was 1989 Toyota Dolphin, 4 cylinder, new transmission, only 75 K miles, for just under $10,000 firm. The thing had had \"6 thousand\" dollars worth of repairs done in the past by a previous owner. New paint job (well done), new transmission, new flooring (wood laminate), lots of resealing done everywhere/around the cab(but could tell there was a little rust in one corner from exterior), new roof ac, maybe even a new interior ceiling too. The inside was beautiful, very clean, no bad smells. Floor was solid, interior roof was solid for the most part, except for maybe in a few small areas. Pretty much, you could tell the entire RV had had a ton of expensive/serious work done to it. Current owner however had only owned the RV for a month before she decided to sell it because she decided RVing \"wasnt for her\".

However, when I looked up at the exterior roof, it looked like dog poop. The thin sheet of fiberglass or whatever material is used was totally delaminated from the wood underneath, and was wavy everywhere. Discolored too. I could push down and have it pop down/up all over the place. However, the wood underneath seemed totally solid, and not squishy. Then on the inside, I found in one of the roof/sidewall cabinets, a grapefruit sized patch where the wood was rotted. The hole that had rotted that wood from the roof had just been sealed earlier that day before I saw it, and was told it was a pinhole sized hole. Those two things were enough for me to just walk away and not investigate any further for any more rotted wood areas inside. The exterior sides and back of the coach felt totally solid though and looked good. The generator had trouble starting, but did start after three tries and sounded good, but there was a significant amount of liquid coming out of the exhaust. Anyway, was the exterior roof issue and small patch of rotted wood enough to walk away from this coach? If everything else had been spot on, would it have been worth it? Or worth it to try and haggle the price down?

Overall, it was a very informative experience I'd say, and I am just a little closer to owning an RV.
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NemoScopes wrote:
Okay, so today I did my first ever inspection on a private sale RV that I was seriously considering buying. It was 1989 Toyota Dolphin, 4 cylinder, new transmission, only 75 K miles, for just under $10,000 firm. The thing had had \"6 thousand\" dollars worth of repairs done in the past by a previous owner. New paint job (well done), new transmission, new flooring (wood laminate), lots of resealing done everywhere/around the cab(but could tell there was a little rust in one corner from exterior), new roof ac, maybe even a new interior ceiling too. The inside was beautiful, very clean, no bad smells. Floor was solid, interior roof was solid for the most part, except for maybe in a few small areas. Pretty much, you could tell the entire RV had had a ton of expensive/serious work done to it. Current owner however had only owned the RV for a month before she decided to sell it because she decided RVing \"wasnt for her\".

However, when I looked up at the exterior roof, it looked like dog poop. The thin sheet of fiberglass or whatever material is used was totally delaminated from the wood underneath, and was wavy everywhere. Discolored too. I could push down and have it pop down/up all over the place. However, the wood underneath seemed totally solid, and not squishy. Then on the inside, I found in one of the roof/sidewall cabinets, a grapefruit sized patch where the wood was rotted. The hole that had rotted that wood from the roof had just been sealed earlier that day before I saw it, and was told it was a pinhole sized hole. Those two things were enough for me to just walk away and not investigate any further for any more rotted wood areas inside. The exterior sides and back of the coach felt totally solid though and looked good. The generator had trouble starting, but did start after three tries and sounded good, but there was a significant amount of liquid coming out of the exhaust. Anyway, was the exterior roof issue and small patch of rotted wood enough to walk away from this coach? If everything else had been spot on, would it have been worth it? Or worth it to try and haggle the price down?

Overall, it was a very informative experience I'd say, and I am just a little closer to owning an RV.
My concern would be paying $10,000 for a 36 year old Toyota. Toyota makes good vehicles, but anything 35 years old is going to need multiple repairs and parts are going to become more and more scarce. Same with the RV components. Unless you are very handy and can make modern square pegs fit into 36 year old round holes, every repair on the RV is going to be a bumpy ride. 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