VW Deisel

True on the tow thing. I actually can.t remember seein anything like a pick up there...all the caravans were being towed by cars. They are also big time into motor homes.

Having said that at least some country's will be approaching 50 percent of sales as electric in the next few years. In Norway they are using promises of free gas for a year just to keep gas sales up. Gas companies idea. What a surprise.

What is range threat?

kaydeejay wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
Massive NOx pollution from Direct Injection Gas engines
This issue has opened a Pandora's box of issues and it has nothing to do with Diesels. Direct injection gas engines, have in the real world very high Nox levels

That article refers to particulates, nothing to do with NOx.

Very small micron levels of particulates, that can get into the lungs and cause Cancers. I thought NOx was part of it, nonetheless it is a real worry

John & Angela wrote:
This is probably a great opportunity for VW to get serious about the increased production of the E-golf. Decent range for the commuters, nice lines and styling, not expensive and good performance. Number one selling electric car in Norway where 26% of all new car sales are electric. Right now they are as rare as hens teeth on this side of the pond. Only sold in 10 states and not in Canada at all and yet it is one of the most inquired about cars at dealerships. One of our two vehicles is electric and the other diesel. We barely use the diesel anymore but rack up a ton of miles on the electric. They really need to get people on test drives.

Not in Europe as they use cars to tow with. Also " range threat " is a big problem with EV's

n7bsn wrote:

kaydeejay wrote:

wildtoad wrote:
I think I'll wait a few more months and pick up a great deal on a new VW diesel. Good cars, great mileage. They'll fix the software and everything will be good. Reputation may take a while to fix though.

There is a very good chance that "fixing" the software is going to kill the fuel economy.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

My understanding is not the fuel economy so much as performance.

The additional cost difference was huge..and as mentioned the performance was a joke.....Like beating a dead horse!:E

RobertRyan wrote:
Massive NOx pollution from Direct Injection Gas engines
This issue has opened a Pandora's box of issues and it has nothing to do with Diesels. Direct injection gas engines, have in the real world very high Nox levels

That article refers to particulates, nothing to do with NOx.

SkiMore wrote:

KD4UPL wrote:
I don't see why this would hurt sales. There wasn't a problem with the cars. They had good power, fuel economy, etc. They didn't break down or catch fire or wreck or anything like that.
I don't think the average consumer is going to not buy one because they cheated the EPA. Big deal, they probably saved some money, got better fuel economy, and made more HP because of it.

I care that a company causes pollution and cheated on the tests that were designed to keep MY air clean. I am less likely to buy any VW product now (gas or diesel). There is a big problem with the cars; they don't meet pollution specs.

Gotta agree. This was deliberate. We all know vehicles burn fuel and we all are guilty. But we collectively move forward as we learn better ways to do less damage to our home. This was a deliberate deception. Make an example of this company and set some new higher standards.

KD4UPL wrote:
I don't see why this would hurt sales. There wasn't a problem with the cars. They had good power, fuel economy, etc. They didn't break down or catch fire or wreck or anything like that.
I don't think the average consumer is going to not buy one because they cheated the EPA. Big deal, they probably saved some money, got better fuel economy, and made more HP because of it.

I care that a company causes pollution and cheated on the tests that were designed to keep MY air clean. I am less likely to buy any VW product now (gas or diesel). There is a big problem with the cars; they don't meet pollution specs.

This is probably a great opportunity for VW to get serious about the increased production of the E-golf. Decent range for the commuters, nice lines and styling, not expensive and good performance. Number one selling electric car in Norway where 26% of all new car sales are electric. Right now they are as rare as hens teeth on this side of the pond. Only sold in 10 states and not in Canada at all and yet it is one of the most inquired about cars at dealerships. One of our two vehicles is electric and the other diesel. We barely use the diesel anymore but rack up a ton of miles on the electric. They really need to get people on test drives.

stan909 wrote:
Why do we care? Does VW sell a Diesel van rv I'm not aware of?

Could be.New VW Crafter, competes with the Sprinter is being designed by MAN Trucks.

The Telegraph suggests the fix for UK models is the addition of a urea injection system to the exhaust.
estimated to cost owners £50 a year for urea fluid and higher servicing cost for the car.
and down the road more expensive replacement exhaust system parts as the wear out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/volkswagen/11903041/Volkswagen-scandal-Britons-face-extra-50-bill-after-recall.html

mike