Waxing

rgatijnet1 wrote:
I did re-read your post although I read it right the first time. Here is a reminder to you.

hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.

READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you

Boy, you really got me on that one. :B
Now, read your first post CLOSELY and SLOWLY. You will see that you left off the word PAINT. Had you included that word, your next sentence about common sense could have been tied to it. Without the word PAINT to tie the two sentences together, your common sense statement meant to me that if someone did not use ZEP they had no common sense.
You also stated in your second sentence that ZEP was the ONLY thing left to give a showroom results, which is not true, and when coupled with your common sense closing sentence, your entire post took on a whole new meaning.
The previous posts of the many people that have tried ZEP, and were less than thrilled with the results, unfortunately believed all of the hype.
The sanding, or compounding method to remove oxidation on a fiberglass gel coach may not be the easiest to do but it is safer than a floor finish that may or may not peel, may or may not turn yellow, and may or may not soften/dissolve the gel coat.
Why some people continue to push an interior floor finish, for people to use on their valuable RV's, when there have been many documented problems, is beyond me.

I really don't know what put this burr under your saddle. My original post was straight forward and was made with the experience(s) I had and suggested other to do a search for further information. It absolutely didn't even elude to other solutions that others have used to get a desirable result. Your taking a lot of time to do a search and cherry pick only the 10% of negative results didn't do the other 90% of positive results justice. Your choosing to make this very personal and it really is only an alternate method to achieve a nice shine on a neglected MH. Its is not the only way..there are dozens of other ways to achieve the same results.
With that, lets just go ahead and say that your process is the only process that can be used and those that those to follow that process will be happy ever after. I think the subscribers to this thread are smart enough to make up their own minds as to which process they will chose and probably be happy with any process they use. Lighten up.

The suggestion for having it professionally detailed is a good one but not cheap.
Meguires has 2 grades of cleaner/wax for Gel Coat and the one we used does a great job.

I did re-read your post although I read it right the first time. Here is a reminder to you.

hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.

READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you

Boy, you really got me on that one. :B
Now, read your first post CLOSELY and SLOWLY. You will see that you left off the word PAINT. Had you included that word, your next sentence about common sense could have been tied to it. Without the word PAINT to tie the two sentences together, your common sense statement meant to me that if someone did not use ZEP they had no common sense.
You also stated in your second sentence that ZEP was the ONLY thing left to give a showroom results, which is not true, and when coupled with your common sense closing sentence, your entire post took on a whole new meaning.
The previous posts of the many people that have tried ZEP, and were less than thrilled with the results, unfortunately believed all of the hype.
The sanding, or compounding method to remove oxidation on a fiberglass gel coach may not be the easiest to do but it is safer than a floor finish that may or may not peel, may or may not turn yellow, and may or may not soften/dissolve the gel coat.
Why some people continue to push an interior floor finish, for people to use on their valuable RV's, when there have been many documented problems, is beyond me.

hershey wrote:

Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide.

OK. From this & previous threads . . .

Peg Leg wrote:
I'm doing my cap now. I had the ZEP, won't do that again.

Dog Trainer wrote:
I used the Red Max and after 2 years the coach started to yellow. I had to get the s**t off and the finish back it was a big job.

timmac wrote:
Do not let the stripper sit to long because it will melt the fiberglass and turn it yellow . . . What I learned about the Zep wax is the hot desert sun will still shrink the stripes and the wax will turn white on those areas, only my south facing side had the issue, the north facing side no issues after 2 years.

Bumpyroad wrote:
I bought a couple of gallons of it when it was being cleared out and did use a little of it on my winnie before trading it, and the rest is still sitting in my garage. putting it on is easy, maintaining it is difficult.

larry barnhart wrote:
I also have some flaking on the entry side. Nobody has prepared any better than what I did or even close to the work I did. I still feel it is better than 2 to 3 wax jobs each year. I will have to wait until we arrive back home in April to correct the problem.
chevman

fizikpal wrote:

I had some flaking on the rear end of the coach which gets beat up by the sun. I used Zep floor striper. It was a major pain to remove the finish. The chemicals run before they loosen the wax.

chast wrote:
Been using this stuff for about five years now and have removed it several times.

royl wrote:
I did the Zep floor finish process on my motorhome last fall. It looked great but now I am in the desert southwest and the wax is turning white and peeling off only on the stripes on the sides of the motorhome. It is still fine on the white where it stays cooler but on the dark gray stripes it is peeling bad. Any ideas? How could I remove the wax on the stripes and not affect the white parts? I would hate to start a whole new process.

Weldon wrote:
My RMP started to flake last year. I washed it and put more RMP on. 4 coats, this year the flaking is worse. I do feel the prep was done correctly in the beginning. I have used Zep stripper to remove the old floor polish and it was quite a job getting it off. Also used some compound on it which helped. The ends which seem to be gel coat were the bad area for me, the filon sides did not show any flaking. Used Nufinish this time.

larry barnhart wrote:
I have had some flaking on the dark green decals.

Now I guess. IF for some reason your RV has gotten to the point that it is faded, and washed out thu neglect. And the only way to get any shine is to sand it. Maybe then it would be OK to take a chance with floor wax. But only if it was beyond hope. And if you use in on your RV. Does it work on your car too? See no reason why not.

No. Not for use on painted surfaces. Just fiberglass as far as I know. It is not floor wax. It is some sort of polymer.

rgatijnet1 wrote:

hershey wrote:
Meguires is an excellent wax and all I would ever use on my '57 Ford. But for a 14 year old dull MH, the Red Max (now Zep) process is the only thing left to give showroom results. Mine is on now for 3 years and I've had to redo the front cap twice (I;m pretty agressive on the bugs) and the entry door once (poor preparation on first attempt).
Suggest you do a search for Red Max Pro on this forum and decide. The only people who poo poo it is the people who haven't tried it.
I would not use it on a full bodied RV. Common sense should prevail.

What a load of BS.
Here we have a fiberglass repair tech posting the right way to bring the shine back to a new finish and still the floor wax people think that their coating is better than the "real thing."
You talk about how you have had to redo some areas and about poor prep and here is an expert telling you how it should be done, and you still say he has no common sense because you have used an interior floor product instead of doing the job right.
The facts are that common sense does keep SOME people from making a mistake. In your case, common sense failed, and you went with what you thought was the easy way out and you had to redo it twice in the last three years. Do it right....do it once.

I've sat back and let you chastise me with some very strong accusations, and strong language.
I'll only reply with facts and not what you would like to read between the lines. Re-read my original post. It doesn't resemble anything like your assessment.
1. I find Meguires a high quality product. I use in on my classic car.
2. I applied Red Max Pro three years ago. Since that time I have redone the top front cap because of my aggressive attack on bugs.
3. I indeed did a poor job of preparation on the door and had to re-do it. THE DOOR, NOT THE ENTIRE MH
4. The 99% of the MH still looks showroom. A perfect shine.
5. I have no problem with the MH owner who wants to do the sanding process to remove oxidation. I can only assume that it will indeed work. Its just another possible way to achieve a great shine on a previously neglected RV.
6. And the most important...I never said that the person who had a different process had no common sense. READ CLOSLY: I said that I would not use the Red Max Pro process on a full bodied paint. Common sense should prevail. Common sense was directed to that previous sentence, not to any other part of any other thread that you would like to direct it to.
For goodness sake, get real, get glasses so you can read, have someone explain the big words to you

2bzy2c wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

2bzy2c wrote:

Terryallan wrote:
Question. Does this hardwood flooring polish Zep. Bring back the original color, or just make the washed out surface shine? Cause as I am waxing my TT today, and every time I wax a vehicle. I can see that not only am I making it shine. But I am returning it to the original color, almost 2 shades worth, and taking out scratches as well. Does Zep remove the scratches too?

It helps, but does not bring the color back. Nope. It does not take out scratches. It simply fills them in so they are not visible. See the example of a before and after picture in this thread.

Looked at it. but you really can't tell anything. Pictures are from a different angle. One in sun, one in shade. there is no way to compare. Did see what appears to be a poorly done patch job on the corner.

Well, the best advice I can offer is try some on a inconspicuous area
and see for yourself. Yep, you are going to spend about $25 just to try it, but it might be worth it. Do give it at least 4 coats.

I think you will be pleased.

Don't think I will. There are no inconspicuous areas on my TT. And honestly. I keep my TT waxed, so it does not take very much to wax it again. I like to keep it the color it came. If you take care of the finish. A quick wax is all you need. Only ONE coat. Why make it harder?

Now I guess. IF for some reason your RV has gotten to the point that it is faded, and washed out thu neglect. And the only way to get any shine is to sand it. Maybe then it would be OK to take a chance with floor wax. But only if it was beyond hope. And if you use in on your RV. Does it work on your car too? See no reason why not.

brirene wrote:
Consider the Zep process. I know its a floor treatment, but myself, and several others here have done it on older fiberglass that has oxidized, and the shine is amazing.

Edit: Lots of naysayers, as above, but I honestly don't recall anyone here who has done it that wishes they hadn't. Your call.

TRY ZEP!!!!!
Great Suggestion using ZEP.

Oh my! Don't need to really explain but I bought this DP that someone else neglected right down to neglecting to make the payments. I bought it from the bank for about 15% of what it cost new and paid CASH for it---no 20 year loan or sell my house to get it. And now its been mine for 5 years, no payments, and shines just like the one someone works them selves to death waxing, making payments, and still owes 10 more years......Yes I take care of the pennies, I am cheap, I am lazy. But this unit gets a complete service every spring and is used every weekend---about 5-6000mi a year and you will never know what I used to make it shine. Any way some of us do it this way and others opt for something else----its America and we have choices. We drive a Mercedes SUV and a VW TDI + a couple of pick ups.....it is my choice to wash them at the car wash! Isn't it wonderful? We have choices here in this country---at least in how we wax our RV!!!!!!!

brirene wrote:
I have seen some of the most arrogant and condescending posts in this thread that I've ever seen in more than 7 years on this forum. I'm surprised on a number of levels.

I was just thinking the same thing. As of late you will get jumped on here for almost nothing. The paper tigers are on the prowl.