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suprz
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Mar 10, 2019

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Just because they are pretty expensive, I was wondering, if you could only get and install one at a time, would you get the Helwig front or rear sway bar first? My coach is a 2006 E450 Super Duty / 31ft Jayco Greyhawk. It had the usual handling issues they all have.
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  • S1njin's avatar
    S1njin
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    Apr 05, 2019
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    Somebody posted these for the 7718:

    S1njin, here are the numbers for the front Hellwig bar.

    Here are the numbers I got at the dealer:
    Front bolts 111#
    Smaller back bolts 18#
    Side links bolts #57

    I’m hoping that will work for a 2018 chassis.
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    S1njin
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    Apr 05, 2019
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    Anybody know what the torque spec is to replace the front sway bar? Hellwigs states to torque to Ford specs. And when I called that’s all they could tell me.
  • bobndot's avatar
    bobndot
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    Mar 13, 2019
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    suprz wrote:
    I thought the sway bars were expensive! But the track bars!! :E



    :B But it's still not as bad as owning a boat .

    I agree that the OEM front sway bar is marginal. I have swapped out a few f/r sway bars over the years and to be cost effective it's something I would do when the OEM wears out. I found the sway bars to be most helpful with the rocking side to side motion.
    I found the rear track bar to be very helpful with stabilizing the frame (chassis) to the rear axle. It eliminated the movement as ron mentioned with the tail wagging the dog, even driving a solo MH with no trailer. That movement transferred to the front end.
    Upon installing it , I first noticed the difference while driving on a 2-lane highway. Passing semis in the opposite direction did not push my rig out of my lane as it did prior to installing the track bar.
    Don't confuse rv track bars with one's at a Nascar race and having a beer. That's a different type of 'track bar'. :R
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    ron_dittmer
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    Mar 13, 2019
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    I have a Henderson rear trac bar on our rig as well. It came recommended from the truck/ambulance/RV suspension shop. I recall him saying that they overcame a challenge installing the rear trac bar and the heavy duty rear Roadmaster stabilizer bar together. Maybe a Helwig HD bar will avoid whatever that challenge was.

    I understand the rear trac bar is especially beneficial when towing a trailer, not so much towing a vehicle. Trailers like to thrash the rear of the motor home side to side, hence the "tail wagging the dog" condition. The pivoting front wheels on a tow vehicle reduces (not eliminates) that condition. I am sure there is some self tail-wagging within the motor home itself, even when not towing.

    There is NO application for a front trac bar on any standard class B+/C motor home because they don't have front leaf springs nor an axle connecting the two front steering wheels. They have instead independent front suspensions.

    Class A's and Supers C's could benefit from a front trac bar because they have full front axles. That is in-part how they can carry so heavy a load.
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    bobndot
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    Mar 12, 2019
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    quote wrote:
    I didn't know they made a trac bar for the rear


    bobndot wrote:
    I called Rvupgradesstore and was advised to install a rear track bar to stabilize the chassis to the rear axle which would correct my issue. It worked
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    suprz
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    OFDPOS wrote:
    I'll throw in my $.02 in.

    By all means do the above first with tire pressure adjustments , alignment.

    BUT !

    The stock Anti Sway Bars on Fords are pretty much a joke.
    They put the same size ones on a E-150 through the E-450. At least through 2013-2014 they did. Don't know about the newer ones ?
    Maybe around town in a E-150 deliver van ok , but not with a MH box attached to the chassis.

    The stock ASB's are like comparing the diameter size of your pinky finger to your thumb , (unless you have abnormal hands, your thumb will obviously be bigger lol )

    Saying that just by replacing both the ASB's will give a much needed improvement, just the mere stepping in and out of the side door you will notice a big difference.

    If you are handy with simple hand tools you could do them yourself, the money you would save you could buy both and still come out cheaper then paying to just have one installed.

    Are they the original shocks as well ? If so replace them with Bilsteins HD DON"T waste your money on those koni fsd's !

    Next up have a Trac Bar installed in the rear.

    Saying all this ,,, this would be of coarse if you are planning on keeping the MH for awhile ...

    Ok that was more like the $.10 tour... lol


    Thanks for the input, I can do both the front and rear sway bars no problem. I know the front shocks can be a pain, but I feel confident, I don't think the rear shocks will be a problem. I didn't know they made a trac bar for the rear
  • Lumpty's avatar
    Lumpty
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    Mar 12, 2019
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    I did a front Hellwig bar only. Made a significant difference. Completely agree the OEM bar is barely suitable for florist deliveries in E150's.

    Monroe also makes an RV Magnum shock for the front. Cheap, and like them better than Bilsteins, as the digressive valving the Bilsteins have allows too much low speed shaft travel, cupping the front tires badly.
  • OFDPOS's avatar
    OFDPOS
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    I'll throw in my $.02 in.

    By all means do the above first with tire pressure adjustments , alignment.

    BUT !

    The stock Anti Sway Bars on Fords are pretty much a joke.
    They put the same size ones on a E-150 through the E-450. At least through 2013-2014 they did. Don't know about the newer ones ?
    Maybe around town in a E-150 deliver van ok , but not with a MH box attached to the chassis.

    The stock ASB's are like comparing the diameter size of your pinky finger to your thumb , (unless you have abnormal hands, your thumb will obviously be bigger lol )

    Saying that just by replacing both the ASB's will give a much needed improvement, just the mere stepping in and out of the side door you will notice a big difference.

    If you are handy with simple hand tools you could do them yourself, the money you would save you could buy both and still come out cheaper then paying to just have one installed.

    Are they the original shocks as well ? If so replace them with Bilsteins HD DON"T waste your money on those koni fsd's !

    Next up have a Trac Bar installed in the rear.

    Saying all this ,,, this would be of coarse if you are planning on keeping the MH for awhile ...

    Ok that was more like the $.10 tour... lol

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S1njin, here are the numbers for the front Hellwig bar.

Here are the numbers I got at the dealer:
Front bolts 111#
Smaller back bolts 18#
Side links bolts #57

I’m hoping that will work for a 2018 chassis.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-04-05T14:42:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-04-05T14:42:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":450},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147395","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"290","rawBody":"Somebody posted these for the 7718:

S1njin, here are the numbers for the front Hellwig bar.

Here are the numbers I got at the dealer:
Front bolts 111#
Smaller back bolts 18#
Side links bolts #57

I’m hoping that will work for a 2018 chassis.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147395_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1071":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1071","uid":1071,"login":"Desert_Captain","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-02-19T18:23:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1071"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147394":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3147394","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3147394":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1071"},"id":"message:3147394","revisionNum":1,"uid":3147394,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3147376"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3147376"},"subject":"Re: Where to start","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147394"},"body":"\":B But it's still not as bad as owning a boat . \"


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suprz wrote:
I thought the sway bars were expensive! But the track bars!! :E



:B But it's still not as bad as owning a boat .

I agree that the OEM front sway bar is marginal. I have swapped out a few f/r sway bars over the years and to be cost effective it's something I would do when the OEM wears out. I found the sway bars to be most helpful with the rocking side to side motion.
I found the rear track bar to be very helpful with stabilizing the frame (chassis) to the rear axle. It eliminated the movement as ron mentioned with the tail wagging the dog, even driving a solo MH with no trailer. That movement transferred to the front end.
Upon installing it , I first noticed the difference while driving on a 2-lane highway. Passing semis in the opposite direction did not push my rig out of my lane as it did prior to installing the track bar.
Don't confuse rv track bars with one's at a Nascar race and having a beer. That's a different type of 'track bar'. :R","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-03-13T12:19:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-13T12:19:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":450},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147392","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1061","rawBody":"
suprz wrote:
I thought the sway bars were expensive! But the track bars!! :E



:B But it's still not as bad as owning a boat .

I agree that the OEM front sway bar is marginal. I have swapped out a few f/r sway bars over the years and to be cost effective it's something I would do when the OEM wears out. I found the sway bars to be most helpful with the rocking side to side motion.
I found the rear track bar to be very helpful with stabilizing the frame (chassis) to the rear axle. It eliminated the movement as ron mentioned with the tail wagging the dog, even driving a solo MH with no trailer. That movement transferred to the front end.
Upon installing it , I first noticed the difference while driving on a 2-lane highway. Passing semis in the opposite direction did not push my rig out of my lane as it did prior to installing the track bar.
Don't confuse rv track bars with one's at a Nascar race and having a beer. That's a different type of 'track bar'. :R","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147392_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147391":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3147391","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3147391":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:161083"},"id":"message:3147391","revisionNum":1,"uid":3147391,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3147376"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3147376"},"subject":"Re: Where to start","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147391"},"body":"I thought the sway bars were expensive! But the track bars!! :E","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"65","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-03-13T03:08:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-13T03:08:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":452},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147391","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"65","rawBody":"I thought the sway bars were expensive! But the track bars!! :E","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147391_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:83233":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:83233","uid":83233,"login":"ron_dittmer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-02-26T10:41:53.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:83233"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147390":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3147390","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3147390":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:83233"},"id":"message:3147390","revisionNum":1,"uid":3147390,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3147376"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3147376"},"subject":"Re: Where to start","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147390"},"body":"I have a Henderson rear trac bar on our rig as well. It came recommended from the truck/ambulance/RV suspension shop. I recall him saying that they overcame a challenge installing the rear trac bar and the heavy duty rear Roadmaster stabilizer bar together. Maybe a Helwig HD bar will avoid whatever that challenge was.

I understand the rear trac bar is especially beneficial when towing a trailer, not so much towing a vehicle. Trailers like to thrash the rear of the motor home side to side, hence the \"tail wagging the dog\" condition. The pivoting front wheels on a tow vehicle reduces (not eliminates) that condition. I am sure there is some self tail-wagging within the motor home itself, even when not towing.

There is NO application for a front trac bar on any standard class B+/C motor home because they don't have front leaf springs nor an axle connecting the two front steering wheels. They have instead independent front suspensions.

Class A's and Supers C's could benefit from a front trac bar because they have full front axles. That is in-part how they can carry so heavy a load.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-03-12T18:04:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-12T18:04:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":450},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147390","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1134","rawBody":"I have a Henderson rear trac bar on our rig as well. It came recommended from the truck/ambulance/RV suspension shop. I recall him saying that they overcame a challenge installing the rear trac bar and the heavy duty rear Roadmaster stabilizer bar together. Maybe a Helwig HD bar will avoid whatever that challenge was.

I understand the rear trac bar is especially beneficial when towing a trailer, not so much towing a vehicle. Trailers like to thrash the rear of the motor home side to side, hence the \"tail wagging the dog\" condition. The pivoting front wheels on a tow vehicle reduces (not eliminates) that condition. I am sure there is some self tail-wagging within the motor home itself, even when not towing.

There is NO application for a front trac bar on any standard class B+/C motor home because they don't have front leaf springs nor an axle connecting the two front steering wheels. They have instead independent front suspensions.

Class A's and Supers C's could benefit from a front trac bar because they have full front axles. That is in-part how they can carry so heavy a load.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147390_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147389":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3147389","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3147389":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:294"},"id":"message:3147389","revisionNum":1,"uid":3147389,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3147376"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3147376"},"subject":"Re: Where to start","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147389"},"body":"
quote wrote:
I didn't know they made a trac bar for the rear


bobndot wrote:
I called Rvupgradesstore and was advised to install a rear track bar to stabilize the chassis to the rear axle which would correct my issue. It worked
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quote wrote:
I didn't know they made a trac bar for the rear


bobndot wrote:
I called Rvupgradesstore and was advised to install a rear track bar to stabilize the chassis to the rear axle which would correct my issue. It worked
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OFDPOS wrote:
I'll throw in my $.02 in.

By all means do the above first with tire pressure adjustments , alignment.

BUT !

The stock Anti Sway Bars on Fords are pretty much a joke.
They put the same size ones on a E-150 through the E-450. At least through 2013-2014 they did. Don't know about the newer ones ?
Maybe around town in a E-150 deliver van ok , but not with a MH box attached to the chassis.

The stock ASB's are like comparing the diameter size of your pinky finger to your thumb , (unless you have abnormal hands, your thumb will obviously be bigger lol )

Saying that just by replacing both the ASB's will give a much needed improvement, just the mere stepping in and out of the side door you will notice a big difference.

If you are handy with simple hand tools you could do them yourself, the money you would save you could buy both and still come out cheaper then paying to just have one installed.

Are they the original shocks as well ? If so replace them with Bilsteins HD DON\"T waste your money on those koni fsd's !

Next up have a Trac Bar installed in the rear.

Saying all this ,,, this would be of coarse if you are planning on keeping the MH for awhile ...

Ok that was more like the $.10 tour... lol


Thanks for the input, I can do both the front and rear sway bars no problem. I know the front shocks can be a pain, but I feel confident, I don't think the rear shocks will be a problem. I didn't know they made a trac bar for the rear","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-03-12T15:28:33.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-12T15:28:33.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":452},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147388","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1622","rawBody":"
OFDPOS wrote:
I'll throw in my $.02 in.

By all means do the above first with tire pressure adjustments , alignment.

BUT !

The stock Anti Sway Bars on Fords are pretty much a joke.
They put the same size ones on a E-150 through the E-450. At least through 2013-2014 they did. Don't know about the newer ones ?
Maybe around town in a E-150 deliver van ok , but not with a MH box attached to the chassis.

The stock ASB's are like comparing the diameter size of your pinky finger to your thumb , (unless you have abnormal hands, your thumb will obviously be bigger lol )

Saying that just by replacing both the ASB's will give a much needed improvement, just the mere stepping in and out of the side door you will notice a big difference.

If you are handy with simple hand tools you could do them yourself, the money you would save you could buy both and still come out cheaper then paying to just have one installed.

Are they the original shocks as well ? If so replace them with Bilsteins HD DON\"T waste your money on those koni fsd's !

Next up have a Trac Bar installed in the rear.

Saying all this ,,, this would be of coarse if you are planning on keeping the MH for awhile ...

Ok that was more like the $.10 tour... lol


Thanks for the input, I can do both the front and rear sway bars no problem. I know the front shocks can be a pain, but I feel confident, I don't think the rear shocks will be a problem. I didn't know they made a trac bar for the rear","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147388_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1894":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1894","uid":1894,"login":"Lumpty","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-03-29T11:48:20.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1894"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147387":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3147387","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3147387":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1894"},"id":"message:3147387","revisionNum":1,"uid":3147387,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3147376"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3147376"},"subject":"Re: Where to start","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147387"},"body":"I did a front Hellwig bar only. Made a significant difference. Completely agree the OEM bar is barely suitable for florist deliveries in E150's.

Monroe also makes an RV Magnum shock for the front. Cheap, and like them better than Bilsteins, as the digressive valving the Bilsteins have allows too much low speed shaft travel, cupping the front tires badly.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-03-12T14:19:22.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-12T14:19:22.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":450},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147387","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"368","rawBody":"I did a front Hellwig bar only. Made a significant difference. Completely agree the OEM bar is barely suitable for florist deliveries in E150's.

Monroe also makes an RV Magnum shock for the front. Cheap, and like them better than Bilsteins, as the digressive valving the Bilsteins have allows too much low speed shaft travel, cupping the front tires badly.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147387_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:165432":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:165432","uid":165432,"login":"OFDPOS","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-11-25T17:42:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:165432"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147386":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3147386","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3147386":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:165432"},"id":"message:3147386","revisionNum":1,"uid":3147386,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3147376"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3147376"},"subject":"Re: Where to start","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3147386"},"body":"I'll throw in my $.02 in.

By all means do the above first with tire pressure adjustments , alignment.

BUT !

The stock Anti Sway Bars on Fords are pretty much a joke.
They put the same size ones on a E-150 through the E-450. At least through 2013-2014 they did. Don't know about the newer ones ?
Maybe around town in a E-150 deliver van ok , but not with a MH box attached to the chassis.

The stock ASB's are like comparing the diameter size of your pinky finger to your thumb , (unless you have abnormal hands, your thumb will obviously be bigger lol )

Saying that just by replacing both the ASB's will give a much needed improvement, just the mere stepping in and out of the side door you will notice a big difference.

If you are handy with simple hand tools you could do them yourself, the money you would save you could buy both and still come out cheaper then paying to just have one installed.

Are they the original shocks as well ? If so replace them with Bilsteins HD DON\"T waste your money on those koni fsd's !

Next up have a Trac Bar installed in the rear.

Saying all this ,,, this would be of coarse if you are planning on keeping the MH for awhile ...

Ok that was more like the $.10 tour... lol","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2019-03-12T09:29:58.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-03-12T09:29:58.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":451},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3147376/message:3147386","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1328","rawBody":"I'll throw in my $.02 in.

By all means do the above first with tire pressure adjustments , alignment.

BUT !

The stock Anti Sway Bars on Fords are pretty much a joke.
They put the same size ones on a E-150 through the E-450. At least through 2013-2014 they did. Don't know about the newer ones ?
Maybe around town in a E-150 deliver van ok , but not with a MH box attached to the chassis.

The stock ASB's are like comparing the diameter size of your pinky finger to your thumb , (unless you have abnormal hands, your thumb will obviously be bigger lol )

Saying that just by replacing both the ASB's will give a much needed improvement, just the mere stepping in and out of the side door you will notice a big difference.

If you are handy with simple hand tools you could do them yourself, the money you would save you could buy both and still come out cheaper then paying to just have one installed.

Are they the original shocks as well ? If so replace them with Bilsteins HD DON\"T waste your money on those koni fsd's !

Next up have a Trac Bar installed in the rear.

Saying all this ,,, this would be of coarse if you are planning on keeping the MH for awhile ...

Ok that was more like the $.10 tour... lol","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3147386_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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