Winnebago Electric Motorhome on a F-53 chassis
Its Here, Another Game Changer.. :B Winnebago Electric Motorhome on a F-53 chassis... https://youtu.be/qRt5eiZJDLc?t=485
Forum Discussion
Rickjay
"Did you read time2roll's link? Here in Massachusetts they talk about being allowed to spend $45 million dollars to put in some 3,500 charging stations by 2025. Ok, we're not a big state, but 3,500 charging stations is a trivial amount even for our miniscule state. Although, this is at a cost of over $12,000 per station. AND, that doesn't include the cost of the charging station, that's just running the power to a pad someplace from a transformer. The land owner who partakes in the program has to BUY the charging stations themselves. Eversource is only going to bring the power in and meter it. The business will have to pay the other expenses. What is the ROI for a company to do this? I have no idea, but perhaps you do?"
So from my understanding, the Big uility companies in Europe are partnering up with the big Automakers like Benz and BMW and VW, these then may then partner up with Big oil stations like Total (very big in Europe), they install charging stations in their gas stations. RickJay, I'm aware that we can't do this over night, and no 1 Industry can do it on it's own, it's gonna take the utility companies and big auto and big oil to work together on this. It's a Concerted effort. But with many of the attitudes I see here, we won't get far. Change can be easier, if we tone down the Resistance to it. That's all.
"And another thing that bothers me is that Eversource is projecting this project out to 2025 here in Massachusetts. That's 7 years away!!! This technology is changing rapidly. What guarantee is there that a charging station installed in 2018 will be usable by vehicles manufacture in 2025? Or 2024? Or 2023? Or even 2020? As far as I know, there is NOT a single charging standard which ALL EVs use, is there? I thought there were at least 2 or 3 major standards. So, it's more than just having a charging station available, you have to have access to a charging station which will work with your vehicle. And once your vehicle gets "too old" will there be retro charging stations available. The model years of vehicles in our family are 2004, 2003 & 2001, and I expect to have ALL of them for at least the next 5 years. I have 100% confidence I'll be able to buy gasoline anywhere in the country to operate any of those vehicles. IF an EV was manufactured in that era, would it's charging technology still be available? In what numbers?"
You are so right...Remember when we had R/C cables, then others I don't remember, then we go to the USB and now we're already at blue tooth and wireless. How many here foresaw this technology? 12 yrs ago they were saying Fiberoptic was the next big thing, 2 yrs ago they started installing it my neighborhood, the next big thing is supposedly called "Fiber," but don't ask me about it. What I'm saying We don't know everything, so instead of coming on here and bashing things, Just Leave some room for doubt.
"My point being that this technology is evolving rapidly and modern industries have a very poor record of caring about customers using older equipment. Your cable company will tell you: "You need a new modem!" "But this one is only 3 years old!". "Doesn't matter, you need to meet our new protocols." "But I don't need the benefits of your new protocols." "Sorry, your old modem won't work with our new system." Or Apple, or Microsoft. Both of those companies have extensive records of changing their products and if your equipment is too old, their answer is for YOU to buy new equipment. Heck, I have an iPad that worked fine until Apple sent out an OS update, and now applications which worked FINE the day before and for several ipads BEFORE this one, NO LONGER WILL WORK. Same hardware! Apple changed something in their OS, they KNEW what they were doing, and didn't care. Oh, and let's not forget the Apple updates that were purposely slowing down older units to encourage customers to buy newer, faster devices. Will they do the same with EV's? "Hmmmm....my Tesla doesn't seem to have the same zip it had before." "Oh, you need to trade it in for version 2.0 to take advantage of all the new enhancements we've added to the software." "But, I don't NEED those enhancements, it was working fine for my use." "Trust me, we know best about what you need. Just give us your money." Probably a bit far-fetched. Or is it? The truth is, we don't know for sure."
That's why we also need the Gov't to do their part. Instead of making it as problematic as you just recounted why not apply the same methodology as we do for Recalls. He#%, I have a 2014 Chrysler that I hardly use (because the DW doens't like how I drive so we use the slower mazda 3)but it already had 3 recalls on it, but they always make the changes when I go in and do my oil change, which is probably once a yr because I probably drive it once every 10-14 days, lol.
"Again, I LOVE the technology. As a gear-head mechanic through my college years, I LOVE the performance that comes with the EV technology. But when I buy an expensive item like a motorhome, house, car, major appliance, I expect it to be viable for a time period measured in decades, not 5-7 years."
Absolutely. Again I'm with you. But aren't you used to that yet? this has been going on Since (at least in my lifetime) since the ATARI days, it changed every 3-4 yrs at first, then every 2 yrs, then every yr. You know the rest. You and me both know that the Iphone 15 is already in the warehouses, but they need to make there billions off of Iphone 11, 12, 13...15 first.
"I'm not trying to sound negative, but I've "invested" enough of my money over the years in the "bleeding edge" technology of home computer evolution. I have neither the ambition nor the dollars to do that with EVs."
You're right again. I'm just saying, let's sit back and enjoy what "tomorrow" has to offer without bashing it. Let's just be pleasantly surprised. It's been beautiful talking to you. But all this talkin' got me thirsty. Time for a cold one. Happy New Year. God bless.
"Did you read time2roll's link? Here in Massachusetts they talk about being allowed to spend $45 million dollars to put in some 3,500 charging stations by 2025. Ok, we're not a big state, but 3,500 charging stations is a trivial amount even for our miniscule state. Although, this is at a cost of over $12,000 per station. AND, that doesn't include the cost of the charging station, that's just running the power to a pad someplace from a transformer. The land owner who partakes in the program has to BUY the charging stations themselves. Eversource is only going to bring the power in and meter it. The business will have to pay the other expenses. What is the ROI for a company to do this? I have no idea, but perhaps you do?"
So from my understanding, the Big uility companies in Europe are partnering up with the big Automakers like Benz and BMW and VW, these then may then partner up with Big oil stations like Total (very big in Europe), they install charging stations in their gas stations. RickJay, I'm aware that we can't do this over night, and no 1 Industry can do it on it's own, it's gonna take the utility companies and big auto and big oil to work together on this. It's a Concerted effort. But with many of the attitudes I see here, we won't get far. Change can be easier, if we tone down the Resistance to it. That's all.
"And another thing that bothers me is that Eversource is projecting this project out to 2025 here in Massachusetts. That's 7 years away!!! This technology is changing rapidly. What guarantee is there that a charging station installed in 2018 will be usable by vehicles manufacture in 2025? Or 2024? Or 2023? Or even 2020? As far as I know, there is NOT a single charging standard which ALL EVs use, is there? I thought there were at least 2 or 3 major standards. So, it's more than just having a charging station available, you have to have access to a charging station which will work with your vehicle. And once your vehicle gets "too old" will there be retro charging stations available. The model years of vehicles in our family are 2004, 2003 & 2001, and I expect to have ALL of them for at least the next 5 years. I have 100% confidence I'll be able to buy gasoline anywhere in the country to operate any of those vehicles. IF an EV was manufactured in that era, would it's charging technology still be available? In what numbers?"
You are so right...Remember when we had R/C cables, then others I don't remember, then we go to the USB and now we're already at blue tooth and wireless. How many here foresaw this technology? 12 yrs ago they were saying Fiberoptic was the next big thing, 2 yrs ago they started installing it my neighborhood, the next big thing is supposedly called "Fiber," but don't ask me about it. What I'm saying We don't know everything, so instead of coming on here and bashing things, Just Leave some room for doubt.
"My point being that this technology is evolving rapidly and modern industries have a very poor record of caring about customers using older equipment. Your cable company will tell you: "You need a new modem!" "But this one is only 3 years old!". "Doesn't matter, you need to meet our new protocols." "But I don't need the benefits of your new protocols." "Sorry, your old modem won't work with our new system." Or Apple, or Microsoft. Both of those companies have extensive records of changing their products and if your equipment is too old, their answer is for YOU to buy new equipment. Heck, I have an iPad that worked fine until Apple sent out an OS update, and now applications which worked FINE the day before and for several ipads BEFORE this one, NO LONGER WILL WORK. Same hardware! Apple changed something in their OS, they KNEW what they were doing, and didn't care. Oh, and let's not forget the Apple updates that were purposely slowing down older units to encourage customers to buy newer, faster devices. Will they do the same with EV's? "Hmmmm....my Tesla doesn't seem to have the same zip it had before." "Oh, you need to trade it in for version 2.0 to take advantage of all the new enhancements we've added to the software." "But, I don't NEED those enhancements, it was working fine for my use." "Trust me, we know best about what you need. Just give us your money." Probably a bit far-fetched. Or is it? The truth is, we don't know for sure."
That's why we also need the Gov't to do their part. Instead of making it as problematic as you just recounted why not apply the same methodology as we do for Recalls. He#%, I have a 2014 Chrysler that I hardly use (because the DW doens't like how I drive so we use the slower mazda 3)but it already had 3 recalls on it, but they always make the changes when I go in and do my oil change, which is probably once a yr because I probably drive it once every 10-14 days, lol.
"Again, I LOVE the technology. As a gear-head mechanic through my college years, I LOVE the performance that comes with the EV technology. But when I buy an expensive item like a motorhome, house, car, major appliance, I expect it to be viable for a time period measured in decades, not 5-7 years."
Absolutely. Again I'm with you. But aren't you used to that yet? this has been going on Since (at least in my lifetime) since the ATARI days, it changed every 3-4 yrs at first, then every 2 yrs, then every yr. You know the rest. You and me both know that the Iphone 15 is already in the warehouses, but they need to make there billions off of Iphone 11, 12, 13...15 first.
"I'm not trying to sound negative, but I've "invested" enough of my money over the years in the "bleeding edge" technology of home computer evolution. I have neither the ambition nor the dollars to do that with EVs."
You're right again. I'm just saying, let's sit back and enjoy what "tomorrow" has to offer without bashing it. Let's just be pleasantly surprised. It's been beautiful talking to you. But all this talkin' got me thirsty. Time for a cold one. Happy New Year. God bless.
