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crates in TT

For those of you that have larger dogs requiring larger crates, how do you find room in the TT for the crate? We have a boxer/American bulldog mix puppy that we are crate training. While he doesn't really need a crate as large as our 42" crate yet, he will need a large crate someday. As tight as TT are on room, what is your solution? I know that given a chance this little guy will eat anything, he even tried to eat a wall when DH wasn't looking today.... yes this will calm with age and training but in the meantime, I don't want my TT destroyed, so a crate is a must during the night and if left alone for even a short period.

ps I have a bunk bed Floorplan with sofa and dinette on the slide. tight master up front and itty bitty bath next to skinny bunks in back.
This is my Floorplan...
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We have a boxer/American bulldog mix puppy that we are crate training. While he doesn't really need a crate as large as our 42\" crate yet, he will need a large crate someday. As tight as TT are on room, what is your solution? I know that given a chance this little guy will eat anything, he even tried to eat a wall when DH wasn't looking today.... yes this will calm with age and training but in the meantime, I don't want my TT destroyed, so a crate is a must during the night and if left alone for even a short period.

ps I have a bunk bed Floorplan with sofa and dinette on the slide. tight master up front and itty bitty bath next to skinny bunks in back.
This is my Floorplan...
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ps I have a bunk bed Floorplan with sofa and dinette on the slide. tight master up front and itty bitty bath next to skinny bunks in back.
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He feels safer in his \"crate\" as well so he sleeps better at night.

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DutchmenSport wrote:
LynnandCarol wrote:
I doubt a play pen will hold him for long. Gonna go right over the side.


Turn the play pen upside down over the dog. He won't jump out then! I've done this at home with ours in the past. We use to have an escape artist. He's gone now, but it does work.

An intelligent dog will have it flipped in no time. And any dog that paws at the mesh of a play pen is likely to rip out a nail. Painful, bloody mess that is!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-12-22T16:28:50.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-12-22T16:28:50.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":353},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVingWithPets/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVingWithPetsforum-board/message:881391/message:881416","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"530","rawBody":"
DutchmenSport wrote:
LynnandCarol wrote:
I doubt a play pen will hold him for long. Gonna go right over the side.


Turn the play pen upside down over the dog. He won't jump out then! I've done this at home with ours in the past. We use to have an escape artist. He's gone now, but it does work.

An intelligent dog will have it flipped in no time. And any dog that paws at the mesh of a play pen is likely to rip out a nail. Painful, bloody mess that is!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:881416_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:1125":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1125","uid":1125,"login":"DutchmenSport","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-10-10T09:31:31.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1125"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:881415":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:881415","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:881415":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1125"},"id":"message:881415","revisionNum":1,"uid":881415,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVingWithPetsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:881391"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:881391"},"subject":"Re: crates in TT","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:881415"},"body":"
LynnandCarol wrote:
I doubt a play pen will hold him for long. Gonna go right over the side.


Turn the play pen upside down over the dog. He won't jump out then! I've done this at home with ours in the past. We use to have an escape artist. He's gone now, but it does work.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-12-19T06:42:56.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-12-19T06:42:56.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":355},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVingWithPets/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVingWithPetsforum-board/message:881391/message:881415","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"314","rawBody":"
LynnandCarol wrote:
I doubt a play pen will hold him for long. Gonna go right over the side.


Turn the play pen upside down over the dog. He won't jump out then! I've done this at home with ours in the past. We use to have an escape artist. He's gone now, but it does work.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:881415_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:881414":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:881414","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:881414":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:253457"},"id":"message:881414","revisionNum":1,"uid":881414,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVingWithPetsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:881391"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:881391"},"subject":"Re: crates in TT","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:881414"},"body":"Thanks for all the advice. we aren't crate training for potty training, he is already potty trained. We are crating for behavior issues. He actually ate a wall when DH wasn't watching him close enough! Also, boxers are known to be energetic and smart so when they get bored, they tend to chew and get destructive so crate training is actually recommended for the breed. I will take the crate out to the TT and play with a few configurations based on the suggestions here. I may end up with an ex pen if the crate doesn't work.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-12-18T15:52:08.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-12-18T15:52:08.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":354},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:RVingWithPets/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:RVingWithPetsforum-board/message:881391/message:881414","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"532","rawBody":"Thanks for all the advice. we aren't crate training for potty training, he is already potty trained. We are crating for behavior issues. He actually ate a wall when DH wasn't watching him close enough! Also, boxers are known to be energetic and smart so when they get bored, they tend to chew and get destructive so crate training is actually recommended for the breed. I will take the crate out to the TT and play with a few configurations based on the suggestions here. 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Until they get past the chewing/hyper puppy phase they can really be a disaster if left alone. Their size and athleticism really takes things to a whole new level.

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