We live between NY and Boston, a very crowded place. With a big antenna with a booster we get 6 or 8 stations depending on the weather. We live near the top of a hill but the closest station is about 40 miles away. Our DSL has to be rebooted about twice a week because the wires on the street are too old. They won't fix the wife because every thing is going cell service. We have one bar of AT T if I stand by the window in the living room, nothing with other carriers. Cable says not enough people to ever have cable. I am not the only one, Dish will be around for a long time.