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When we dry camp, we \"camp\" and have very little use for an inverter. From the ones I've priced, a PSW inverter would cost more than the TV did. That said, I still don't want to fry a perfectly good TV. We will just not use it! Frankly we rarely watch TV when camping, but now that we have it, we do use it sometimes on rainy nights when we are on hookups.
One other possibility, I think I saw a thread here a few months ago (can't find it now) where someone said most modern TVs actually run on 12VDC anyway. Just open it up and bring 12V directly into the TV bypassing the transformer. Seems more efficient anyway, why go DC to AC back to DC? Gotta be some efficiency losses there.","body@stringLength":"852","rawBody":"Anyone doing this long term with success? Did a search and found some resources saying it's fine and others saying don't do it, it'll fry the TV.
When we dry camp, we \"camp\" and have very little use for an inverter. From the ones I've priced, a PSW inverter would cost more than the TV did. That said, I still don't want to fry a perfectly good TV. We will just not use it! Frankly we rarely watch TV when camping, but now that we have it, we do use it sometimes on rainy nights when we are on hookups.
BUT: All Audio, Video and Radio gear is on the \"May not work well with an MSW inverter\" list. Every last blessed bit of it.
That said the key word in that list title is \"MAY\".. Sometimes they do, Sometimes they don't.. But why risk it. Why not just go True Sine wave.. The \"May not work\" list on TSW is much much shorter.. In fact here it is:
Any device requiring more power than the inverter can deliver.
Yup, that is it. the whole list.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-09T09:31:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-09T09:31:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978853","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"626","rawBody":"I seriously doubt that running an LED TV, epically if it is a \"power brick\" model will fry the TV.. (Might overheat the brick a bit though).
BUT: All Audio, Video and Radio gear is on the \"May not work well with an MSW inverter\" list. Every last blessed bit of it.
That said the key word in that list title is \"MAY\".. Sometimes they do, Sometimes they don't.. But why risk it. Why not just go True Sine wave.. The \"May not work\" list on TSW is much much shorter.. In fact here it is:
Any device requiring more power than the inverter can deliver.
Yup, that is it. the whole list.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1978853_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:13491":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:13491","uid":13491,"login":"RJsfishin","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-10-16T20:14:14.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:13491"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978852":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1978852","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1978852":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:13491"},"id":"message:1978852","revisionNum":1,"uid":1978852,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVMustHaves"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1978832"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1978832"},"subject":"Re: LED TV on MSW inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978852"},"body":"Been using MSW for 19 years. I don't know about electric blanket controllers, but every thing else (excluding micro Ws) runs fine, including electric motors.
And they don't have to be expensive. I just bought 2 150 waters for 12 bucks each. They have very clean power, do not overheat, have no fan, and are completely quiet. There is a thread here about them.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-09T08:09:46.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-09T08:09:46.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978852","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"370","rawBody":"Been using MSW for 19 years. I don't know about electric blanket controllers, but every thing else (excluding micro Ws) runs fine, including electric motors.
And they don't have to be expensive. I just bought 2 150 waters for 12 bucks each. They have very clean power, do not overheat, have no fan, and are completely quiet. There is a thread here about them.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1978852_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978851":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1978851","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1978851":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:29609"},"id":"message:1978851","revisionNum":1,"uid":1978851,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVMustHaves"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1978832"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1978832"},"subject":"Re: LED TV on MSW inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978851"},"body":"Mine is a 300 watt UPC model. The TV is probably 50w at most, so it wouldn't be working too hard. I'm going to test it in my garage this weekend with various loads and see if it gets hot. I have an IR thermometer, so should be easy to what happens.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-08T09:15:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-08T09:15:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978851","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"248","rawBody":"Mine is a 300 watt UPC model. The TV is probably 50w at most, so it wouldn't be working too hard. I'm going to test it in my garage this weekend with various loads and see if it gets hot. I have an IR thermometer, so should be easy to what happens.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1978851_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:254739":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:254739","uid":254739,"login":"Chris_Bryant","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-03-26T09:27:10.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:254739"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978850":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1978850","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1978850":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:254739"},"id":"message:1978850","revisionNum":1,"uid":1978850,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVMustHaves"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1978832"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1978832"},"subject":"Re: LED TV on MSW inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978850"},"body":"
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.
I just meant trying to use a ups as an inverter for long term use is not a good idea. As you say, they are meant for orderly shutdown, not hour after hour of inverting. I should qualify this to specify inexpensive UPSs- large, expensive online UPSs are a whole different ball game.
I honestly don't have definitive knowledge but I always thought UPSs, especially cheap ones, always carried the load.
I know some industrial UPSs DON'T carry the load but are able to cycle match very quickly so equipment doesn't notice when the mains go off.
Nope- they use transfer relays. Because I have disabled all of the alarms, now I just hear all of the relays kick over when there is a power glitch. Mine also buzz while operating on battery.
I should add that I only have experience with the APC Backups series and Cyberpower- basically whatever is on sale of Office Depot.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-08T08:08:27.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-08T08:08:27.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978850","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1438","rawBody":"
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote:
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.
I just meant trying to use a ups as an inverter for long term use is not a good idea. As you say, they are meant for orderly shutdown, not hour after hour of inverting. I should qualify this to specify inexpensive UPSs- large, expensive online UPSs are a whole different ball game.
I honestly don't have definitive knowledge but I always thought UPSs, especially cheap ones, always carried the load.
I know some industrial UPSs DON'T carry the load but are able to cycle match very quickly so equipment doesn't notice when the mains go off.
Nope- they use transfer relays. Because I have disabled all of the alarms, now I just hear all of the relays kick over when there is a power glitch. Mine also buzz while operating on battery.
I should add that I only have experience with the APC Backups series and Cyberpower- basically whatever is on sale of Office Depot.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1978850_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:38":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:38","position":27,"name":"Nomad II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:40951":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:40951","uid":40951,"login":"joebedford","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-09-03T19:56:02.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:38"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:40951"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978849":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1978849","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1978849":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:40951"},"id":"message:1978849","revisionNum":1,"uid":1978849,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVMustHaves"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1978832"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1978832"},"subject":"Re: LED TV on MSW inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978849"},"body":"
Chris Bryant wrote:
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.
I just meant trying to use a ups as an inverter for long term use is not a good idea. As you say, they are meant for orderly shutdown, not hour after hour of inverting. I should qualify this to specify inexpensive UPSs- large, expensive online UPSs are a whole different ball game.
I honestly don't have definitive knowledge but I always thought UPSs, especially cheap ones, always carried the load.
I know some industrial UPSs DON'T carry the load but are able to cycle match very quickly so equipment doesn't notice when the mains go off.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-08T07:52:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-08T07:52:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978849","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1044","rawBody":"
Chris Bryant wrote:
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.
I just meant trying to use a ups as an inverter for long term use is not a good idea. As you say, they are meant for orderly shutdown, not hour after hour of inverting. I should qualify this to specify inexpensive UPSs- large, expensive online UPSs are a whole different ball game.
I honestly don't have definitive knowledge but I always thought UPSs, especially cheap ones, always carried the load.
I know some industrial UPSs DON'T carry the load but are able to cycle match very quickly so equipment doesn't notice when the mains go off.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1978849_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:99112":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:99112","uid":99112,"login":"hugemoth","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-11-08T16:26:41.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:99112"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978848":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1978848","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1978848":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:99112"},"id":"message:1978848","revisionNum":1,"uid":1978848,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVMustHaves"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1978832"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1978832"},"subject":"Re: LED TV on MSW inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978848"},"body":"MSW inverters work fine for powering LED TVs. My whole house has been running on MSW interters for 25+ years with no problems, including 4 years for the Samsung LED TV.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"168","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-08T07:35:02.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-08T07:35:02.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978848","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"168","rawBody":"MSW inverters work fine for powering LED TVs. My whole house has been running on MSW interters for 25+ years with no problems, including 4 years for the Samsung LED TV.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1978848_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978847":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1978847","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1978847":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:254739"},"id":"message:1978847","revisionNum":1,"uid":1978847,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVMustHaves"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1978832"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1978832"},"subject":"Re: LED TV on MSW inverter?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1978847"},"body":"
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.
I just meant trying to use a ups as an inverter for long term use is not a good idea. As you say, they are meant for orderly shutdown, not hour after hour of inverting. I should qualify this to specify inexpensive UPSs- large, expensive online UPSs are a whole different ball game.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-08T07:00:15.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-08T07:00:15.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":396},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978847","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"725","rawBody":"
joebedford wrote:
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.
I just meant trying to use a ups as an inverter for long term use is not a good idea. As you say, they are meant for orderly shutdown, not hour after hour of inverting. 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Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. A UPS is meant to be plugged in 'forever' so that it's there when the mains power glitches or in the case of a longer outage, to give you time to do an orderly shutdown.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-10-08T06:36:14.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-10-08T06:36:14.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVMustHaves/message:1978832/message:1978845","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"379","rawBody":"
Chris Bryant wrote: The trouble with using a UPS is they generally are not meant for long term use- at the very least I imagine they would overheat.
Not sure what you mean by this. 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