light bulbs

It's both humorous and sad at the same time, to see how advances in technology are vigorously resisted by so many Americans. You would think that a technology which would cut your energy usage by 80%-90%, SAVING YOU MONEY, would be welcomed with open arms! LED light bulbs cost more now, but economies of scale will fix that AND they will outlast you and I once installed.

Is all change this painful? How about the push to replace the paper dollar with a coin, which will also cut the cost of producing them dramatically? I assume we all hate that one too? :-/

Bumpyroad wrote:

Dog Folks wrote:

Global warming true or not. Changing all my light bulbs is not going to matter one iota.

yep, the impact of our lightbulbs vs how many new coal fired plants are opened each month in China is insignificant, but the greenies keep whining about it.
bumpy

Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

Dog Folks wrote:

Global warming true or not. Changing all my light bulbs is not going to matter one iota.

yep, the impact of our lightbulbs vs how many new coal fired plants are opened each month in China is insignificant, but the greenies keep whining about it.
bumpy

rockhillmanor wrote:
It sure CHANGED my electric bill.

My home had cathedral ceilings where the designer of the home got "can light crazy". I had 20 in the great room area and over 20 in the master bedroom/powder great room, and in the family room not to mention the multiple lighted sconces over each bathroom and kitchen. :R

I changed all my lights to CFL actually just to see IF it would make a difference, and it DOES! Cleared off over 1/3 of my electric bill in one fall swoop.

Don't like that they are Mercury, yes you drop them and they are 100% going to shatter all over.

I have yet to see a recycle for them so off they go into the garbage. The mercury and the vast amount that will hit the landfills is sad, but saving $100 bucks a month on the electric bill is enough for me to use them until the power company stops raping us.

WOW-- I wish I knew that when I had a sticks and bricks and a $300.00 light bill. My reference was about the RV live in.

My carbon foot print is much lower than the average house as it is.

It sure CHANGED my electric bill.

My home had cathedral ceilings where the designer of the home got "can light crazy". I had 20 in the great room area and over 20 in the master bedroom/powder great room, and in the family room not to mention the multiple lighted sconces over each bathroom and kitchen. :R

I changed all my lights to CFL actually just to see IF it would make a difference, and it DOES! Cleared off over 1/3 of my electric bill in one fall swoop.

Don't like that they are Mercury, yes you drop them and they are 100% going to shatter all over.

I have yet to see a recycle for them so off they go into the garbage. The mercury and the vast amount that will hit the landfills is sad, but saving $100 bucks a month on the electric bill is enough for me to use them until the power company stops raping us.

Chris Bryant wrote:
A ton of disinformation here- there is no ban on anything, rather there is an energy efficiency standard being imposed. If a bulb meets the standard, it is fine. Many incandescent halogen bulbs do meet that standard.
Like it or not, global warming is real and it's here, and for our children's sake, we must cut carbon emissions.

Global warming true or not. Changing all my light bulbs is not going to matter one iota.

rockhillmanor wrote:
Yup. God Bless America. Only CFL's will be produced starting 2014...........they will be made ONLY in China.

We ban something and the only country that makes the new replacement is China. Not to mention the new eco energy saving bulb is filled with mercury and so now will all our landfills be. :R

This says it all, take the few seconds to watch it all it's very sadly hilarious!

EVERYTHING you need to know about compact florescent bulbs AND how to dispose of these little dangerous bulbs if you drop one per the EPA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZalyKzXnlo

NO NO NO, incandescents aren't going to disappear in 2014. The standard "A19" base incandesents will slowly go away in higher wattage. IIRC 100W's are gone, 75W's next year. Not sure about the 60W timeframe.

And best I can interpret from the reg's, low voltage bulbs (12V) are not part of the phase out.

Three ways, appliance bulbs, and the vast majority of other base styles and specialty bulbs are NOT part of the phase out. Nor are all flavors of flood/spot reflector bases. Least thing to worry about is the RV 12V bulbs.

BTW last year we replace about a dozen CFL flood lights with LED floods. All I can say is the LED floods are way brighter and use less electricity than the CFL's. And last longer. The CFL's in a overhead down can don't last very long, a year at most. In fact the LED's are brighter than the 75W halogen floods they replaced, and only use 12Watts.

I suspect LED's will fairly quickly wipe out the CFL's. Economy of scale for the LED's and advances in color and efficiency will make the CFL and incandesents obsolete even for price in a few years.

Chris Bryant wrote:
A ton of disinformation here- there is no ban on anything, rather there is an energy efficiency standard being imposed. If a bulb meets the standard, it is fine. Many incandescent halogen bulbs do meet that standard.
Like it or not, global warming is real and it's here, and for our children's sake, we must cut carbon emissions.

This set up performance standards and the phase out of incandescent lighting in order to require the use of more efficient fluorescent lighting. EISA 2007 is an effort to increase lighting efficiency by 25-30%. sounds to me like it is a two prong attack. and IIRC the current nonsense is climate change, not global warming.
bumpy

Chris Bryant wrote:
A ton of disinformation here- there is no ban on anything, rather there is an energy efficiency standard being imposed. If a bulb meets the standard, it is fine. Many incandescent halogen bulbs do meet that standard.
Like it or not, global warming is real and it's here, and for our children's sake, we must cut carbon emissions.

Of course global warming is real. In the last two+ million years, the earth has alternated warm spells (warmer than it is now), and cold spells (colder - as in glaciers) a number of times. The ocean levels have risen after the cold spells about 1,000 feet higher during the warm spells, and retreated back to 1,000 feet lower when the glaciers capture a lot of water. This has been known to geologists for decades. No one knows for sure why the earth goes through these warming and cooling cycles. It is known for certain that this has been happening since long before there were humans on Earth, and there is no reason to believe it won't continue when humans disappear from the Earth. It is supreme hubris to believe that global warming is caused by and can be controlled by human activity.

A ton of disinformation here- there is no ban on anything, rather there is an energy efficiency standard being imposed. If a bulb meets the standard, it is fine. Many incandescent halogen bulbs do meet that standard.
Like it or not, global warming is real and it's here, and for our children's sake, we must cut carbon emissions.