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- ktmrfsExplorer II
Retired JSO wrote:
OnStar is satellite, turn by turn traffic avoidance is via cell tower. I understand OnStar will make the updates needed via satellite. Most things other than up to date traffic will not be affected.
NO depending on vintage Onstar uses either Verizon or ATT wireless for cummunication it is NOT a sat system. It uses GPS to determine location, just like a traditional GPS unit, but cell for ALL communications Early systems were CDMA, then 3G, latest 4G There are many many places in the midwest and away from populations where ONSTAR communication does NOT work.
As mentioned below, the car cell phone uses 3 watts instead of 0.6 watts for a handheld cell phone, so it does give better range, but still there are places with limited or no coverage. Worst coverage areas are North south from eastern washington through mid montana pretty much on a north south line. Many parts of idaho and montana have NO coverage for considerable distance and many places with very limited and marginal coverage.
On several of our favorite trips we have 50-75 miles of highway where Onstar communication does NOT have cell coverage (No ATT) and does not function. You can't contact onstar, can't download turn by turn, can't get help, and our kids can't track us.
And many of our favorite out in the boondock campsites we have no Onstar communication either.
That's where the Garmin Inreach Iridium sat communicator comes into use.
take a look at the Onstar coverage map and it will be clear it is not a sat system.
A Quote from Onstar:
At its most basic, OnStar consists of four different types of technology: cellular, voice recognition, GPS and vehicle telemetry. All of the services that OnStar provides are a result of one or more of these technologies working together.
OnStar's cellular service is voice-activated and hands-free. The console contains a built-in microphone and uses the car speakers. To make a call, you speak a phone number or a previously stored name associated with a phone number. The console is connected to a Vehicle Comm and Interface Module (VCIM), which uses a cellular antenna on top of the car to transmit signals to OnStar's cellular network. (For more information on cellular technology, see How Cell Phones Work.) OnStar's cellular service has a better range than most cell phones (although you can still lose service in remote areas), with a full three watts instead of a regular cell phone's 0.6 watts. With some OnStar plans, you can also use the cellular service just as you would a regular cell phone plan. - Retired_JSOExplorerOnStar is satellite, turn by turn traffic avoidance is via cell tower. I understand OnStar will make the updates needed via satellite. Most things other than up to date traffic will not be affected.
- joebedfordNomad II
ktmrfs wrote:
Probably would have but I haven't snowbirded for two years. The truck has essentially not been driven for two years and I turned off Onstar when I thought I wasn't going to drive the truck for one year. Who knew....
My understanding is that if the vehicle needs the "over the air update" to 4g it should be transparent to the user, and likely has already happened. - pianotunaNomad III
ktmrfs wrote:
It went away in Canada a few years ago. Last of Verizon will be shut down by end of December 2022
And for the last few years there were lots of places that 3G transmitters were shut down, coverage is sporatic.
Hi ktmrfs,
3g for data disappeared--but for voice, it is alive and well in Canada. - joebedfordNomad IIPerhaps I should have said: I'm in Canada and 3G isn't going away until 2025. I only use the truck in USA but I can get an over the air update here before I cross the border.
My Silverado is 2011 - built before 4G went into service here - it came from the factory with 2G. The truck is old in years but it only has 110,000km (~65,000 miles) after 11 years - it's just broken in.
I just wondered if anybody here has gone through the process. - ktmrfsExplorer II
time2roll wrote:
ALL 3G is not gone. I think it was just ATT.
Google: T-Mobile announced that it will finish shutting down Sprint's 3G CDMA network by March 31, 2022 and Sprint's 4G LTE network by June 30, 2022.
Time to go for a drive.
ALL, REPEAT ALL 3G is going away ATT first, others a few months later or some already. It went away in Canada a few years ago. Last of Verizon will be shut down by end of December 2022
And for the last few years there were lots of places that 3G transmitters were shut down, coverage is sporatic. - pianotunaNomad IIIBoth my phones need replacement.
Mobily owners report no issues with the 3g dying on Feb 22, 2022 - JimBollmanExplorerI think Verizon is December. I had one 3g device and they notified me that it would have to be replaced by sometime in December so I assume it is for all uses of 3g. Not sure if all 3g OnStar like systems can be upgraded. A friend said his car that was less than 2 years old wasn't upgradable. But then maybe he just wanted an excuse to trade up without the wife discussion :-)
- ALL 3G is not gone. I think it was just ATT.
Google: T-Mobile announced that it will finish shutting down Sprint's 3G CDMA network by March 31, 2022 and Sprint's 4G LTE network by June 30, 2022.
Time to go for a drive. - magicbusExplorer IIIf it needs an over the air update to use 4g I hope it happened last week before 3g went away!
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