SpaceX - Satellite internet starting 2019RV parks shouldn't have any reason not to supply awesome internet, maybe?

This is a boon for developing nations, those who don't have the infrastructure to bring Internet to their schools and community centers.The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic. Yes, even remote campgrounds deep in Southern Utah or the mountains of West Virginia have plentiful fiber optic cable within a mile at the most. The problem is that fiber is dark, and the company that owns it has no interest in making it available until the right grant package or other highly profitable opportunity comes along.Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.

Well if approved they'll start launching in 2019. Boo. Full function by 2024. Yay! Hope I'm around to try it...

GordonThree wrote:This is a boon for developing nations, those who don't have the infrastructure to bring Internet to their schools and community centers.The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic. Yes, even remote campgrounds deep in Southern Utah or the mountains of West Virginia have plentiful fiber optic cable within a mile at the most. The problem is that fiber is dark, and the company that owns it has no interest in making it available until the right grant package or other highly profitable opportunity comes along.Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.Of course it will help us in the states. My brother lives here along the wasatch front and is 200 feet too far from the comcast box and they won't run it. He uses a slow wireless connection now. If he can get fiber speed internet from a satellite, he'd be a very happy camper. I have a brother-in-law in southern Utah that would kill for a better solution than the single cable provider.Now, take a few of those campgrounds that are remote or all these people here that are using mifi with verizon and give them a satellite option.If it is affordable (even at the CG level) and fast, it's a big deal.

That's OK if you have no other choice.We have it up here but I passed, it's cheaper on cellhttps://www.xplornet.com/why-choose-xplornet/

kohai wrote:GordonThree wrote:This is a boon for developing nations, those who don't have the infrastructure to bring Internet to their schools and community centers.The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic. Yes, even remote campgrounds deep in Southern Utah or the mountains of West Virginia have plentiful fiber optic cable within a mile at the most. The problem is that fiber is dark, and the company that owns it has no interest in making it available until the right grant package or other highly profitable opportunity comes along.Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.Of course it will help us in the states. My brother lives here along the wasatch front and is 200 feet too far from the comcast box and they won't run it. He uses a slow wireless connection now. If he can get fiber speed internet from a satellite, he'd be a very happy camper. I have a brother-in-law in southern Utah that would kill for a better solution than the single cable provider.Now, take a few of those campgrounds that are remote or all these people here that are using mifi with verizon and give them a satellite option.If it is affordable (even at the CG level) and fast, it's a big deal.Satellite Internet is already available in the states.Elon's satellite won't really be any faster. Advanced spot beams will focus bandwidth but they can't help with the more than 40,000 mile round trip.In your brothers case, his problem is territory agreements. If Comcast were forced by having to compete with six other providers operating over some of that dark fiber, Comcast would find a way to deliver product.

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wa8yxm
Explorer III
May 04, 2017
GordonThree wrote:
The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic.

Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.

Much clipped to save space.

First: we already have satellite internet... Hughnet, Hughes net Gen5 and Exceed as well as Verizon.. now two of those I've used and .. Yes. they suck.. two I have not. but a Friend uses one and streams multi-channel video with no problem (Exceed)

Exceed is NOT, however, RV friendly (But would work for campgrounds) It is also a tad pricey. as is Hughes and Verison.

Virgin/Space-X should add to competition and lower prices.

There is also a tower based radio internet that covers a good part of the USA.. Google I-2000 if I'm not mistaken or I-2k.. Yes they were around in 1999

It's not that we dont' have it.. IT is that we do not KNOW about it.

There was also a stab at what they call "Broadband over power lines" but it caused far too much radio interference, that is all save one ssytem.. With BPL.. if they can clean it up. anywhere that has power, can have internet.

Oh, and as for your comment on Corporate Greed.. YES. I feel that charging 100+ for 10 bucks worth of bandwidth,,, Is a tad greedy.
RayJayco
Explorer
May 04, 2017
Perhaps they have found a way to get around those pesky atmospheric and weather conditions to provide a constant signal...
garyemunson
Explorer II
May 04, 2017
Cellphone 5G is just beginning to be deployed. The increase in bandwidth is staggering. Will be required for the coming onslaught of autonomous vehicles that need inter vehicle communication. LTE already provides internet access fast enough for streaming video..5G will leave it in the dust. Should be available long before sat. I just gave up with ZTE's Mobley on AT&T's system. While it was fast enough for streaming video and game playing, the Mobley would occasionally lose internet access (although still seemingly connected to the cell system). I'd have to power it down and let it reconnect. Not ready for prime time yet!
kohai
Explorer
May 04, 2017
garyemunson wrote:
Cellphone 5G is just beginning to be deployed. The increase in bandwidth is staggering. Will be required for the coming onslaught of autonomous vehicles that need inter vehicle communication. LTE already provides internet access fast enough for streaming video..5G will leave it in the dust. Should be available long before sat. I just gave up with ZTE's Mobley on AT&T's system. While it was fast enough for streaming video and game playing, the Mobley would occasionally lose internet access (although still seemingly connected to the cell system). I'd have to power it down and let it reconnect. Not ready for prime time yet!

But in a rural location, that's not likely. I spent a week in Escalante, Utah and couldn't even make a phone call at the campground that was in town without dropping the call. I could text.

Escalante doesn't even have LTE and the ATT tower was 30 miles away.
wa8yxm
Explorer III
May 04, 2017
Regarding Latency.. Hughes 7000 uses geo-sync orbit satellites, this means there is a fairly long latency (1/2 second as I recall minimum)

But Excede uses a lower orbit, less latency but the birds are not geo-synced or so I'm told. Have not tried it.. WIll have to check it out later this month.
MEXICOWANDERER
Explorer
May 06, 2017
Mexican Ping Tester...
joebedford
Nomad II
May 06, 2017
Fizz wrote:
That's OK if you have no other choice.
We have it up here but I passed, it's cheaper on cell

https://www.xplornet.com/why-choose-xplornet/
Have exactly what up here?

Xplornet has never been able to give me a straight answer about speed and quality so I'm sticking with my fairly pathetic dsl.
bob_nestor
Explorer III
May 06, 2017
garyemunson wrote:
Cellphone 5G is just beginning to be deployed. The increase in bandwidth is staggering. Will be required for the coming onslaught of autonomous vehicles that need inter vehicle communication. LTE already provides internet access fast enough for streaming video..5G will leave it in the dust. Should be available long before sat. I just gave up with ZTE's Mobley on AT&T's system. While it was fast enough for streaming video and game playing, the Mobley would occasionally lose internet access (although still seemingly connected to the cell system). I'd have to power it down and let it reconnect. Not ready for prime time yet!

Curious if you set the timeout on the Mobley. By default it disconnects and goes into sleep mode about 30 minutes or when power is removed such as when the vehicle it's attached to is turned off. The latest firmware update to the Mobley allows one to set the timeout to unlimited basically nullifying the timeout.
crcr
Explorer
May 06, 2017
5G service is in the works, and reportedly is much much faster than present broadband cable. It appears that it will be launched first for home internet service, and later on for cell phones. Verizon, AT&T and perhaps others are working on 5G. Verizon is moving into trials.

Wired internet service is old technology and ultimately over the air 5G service will provide much needed competition for the wired broadband business. I believe these broadband companies see the handwriting on the wall and are acting accordingly -- one example -- a friend's broadband service from the local near monopoly on home service was cutting in and out. He dug up the cable near the house and found that the cable was just buried in the ground, no conduit. He called the broadband provider and asked them to replace the bad cable. They told him they weren't replacing those anymore, but that he could replace it himself if he liked. Crack customer service, eh?
Bill_Satellite
Explorer II
May 07, 2017
If these satellites are to be in an orbit similar to the Iridium orbit (low Earth orbit) they would only be 485 miles above the Earth making the round trip communication time (latency) pretty low as it would only be about 900 miles round trip vs. the current Geostationary satellites which orbit at 22,000 miles or 45,000 mile round trip.
Of course the most serious issue is money as the plan is to launch 4425 satellites to complete the ring of satellites and allow nearly uninterrupted service. With low Earth orbit satellites, they are not fixed in one location but spinning around the Earth faster than the Earth is moving (the only way to stay in orbit at low altitude) so you must have one satellite coming into view as the other is leaving your view. It should be interesting but it does not seem to be a sustainable system due to the extremely high costs.