SpaceX - Satellite internet starting 2019RV parks shouldn't have any reason not to supply awesome internet, maybe?

This is a boon for developing nations, those who don't have the infrastructure to bring Internet to their schools and community centers.The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic. Yes, even remote campgrounds deep in Southern Utah or the mountains of West Virginia have plentiful fiber optic cable within a mile at the most. The problem is that fiber is dark, and the company that owns it has no interest in making it available until the right grant package or other highly profitable opportunity comes along.Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.

Well if approved they'll start launching in 2019. Boo. Full function by 2024. Yay! Hope I'm around to try it...

GordonThree wrote:This is a boon for developing nations, those who don't have the infrastructure to bring Internet to their schools and community centers.The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic. Yes, even remote campgrounds deep in Southern Utah or the mountains of West Virginia have plentiful fiber optic cable within a mile at the most. The problem is that fiber is dark, and the company that owns it has no interest in making it available until the right grant package or other highly profitable opportunity comes along.Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.Of course it will help us in the states. My brother lives here along the wasatch front and is 200 feet too far from the comcast box and they won't run it. He uses a slow wireless connection now. If he can get fiber speed internet from a satellite, he'd be a very happy camper. I have a brother-in-law in southern Utah that would kill for a better solution than the single cable provider.Now, take a few of those campgrounds that are remote or all these people here that are using mifi with verizon and give them a satellite option.If it is affordable (even at the CG level) and fast, it's a big deal.

That's OK if you have no other choice.We have it up here but I passed, it's cheaper on cellhttps://www.xplornet.com/why-choose-xplornet/

kohai wrote:GordonThree wrote:This is a boon for developing nations, those who don't have the infrastructure to bring Internet to their schools and community centers.The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic. Yes, even remote campgrounds deep in Southern Utah or the mountains of West Virginia have plentiful fiber optic cable within a mile at the most. The problem is that fiber is dark, and the company that owns it has no interest in making it available until the right grant package or other highly profitable opportunity comes along.Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.Of course it will help us in the states. My brother lives here along the wasatch front and is 200 feet too far from the comcast box and they won't run it. He uses a slow wireless connection now. If he can get fiber speed internet from a satellite, he'd be a very happy camper. I have a brother-in-law in southern Utah that would kill for a better solution than the single cable provider.Now, take a few of those campgrounds that are remote or all these people here that are using mifi with verizon and give them a satellite option.If it is affordable (even at the CG level) and fast, it's a big deal.Satellite Internet is already available in the states.Elon's satellite won't really be any faster. Advanced spot beams will focus bandwidth but they can't help with the more than 40,000 mile round trip.In your brothers case, his problem is territory agreements. If Comcast were forced by having to compete with six other providers operating over some of that dark fiber, Comcast would find a way to deliver product.

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wa8yxm
Explorer III
May 04, 2017
Regarding Latency.. Hughes 7000 uses geo-sync orbit satellites, this means there is a fairly long latency (1/2 second as I recall minimum)

But Excede uses a lower orbit, less latency but the birds are not geo-synced or so I'm told. Have not tried it.. WIll have to check it out later this month.
kohai
Explorer
May 04, 2017
garyemunson wrote:
Cellphone 5G is just beginning to be deployed. The increase in bandwidth is staggering. Will be required for the coming onslaught of autonomous vehicles that need inter vehicle communication. LTE already provides internet access fast enough for streaming video..5G will leave it in the dust. Should be available long before sat. I just gave up with ZTE's Mobley on AT&T's system. While it was fast enough for streaming video and game playing, the Mobley would occasionally lose internet access (although still seemingly connected to the cell system). I'd have to power it down and let it reconnect. Not ready for prime time yet!

But in a rural location, that's not likely. I spent a week in Escalante, Utah and couldn't even make a phone call at the campground that was in town without dropping the call. I could text.

Escalante doesn't even have LTE and the ATT tower was 30 miles away.
garyemunson
Explorer II
May 04, 2017
Cellphone 5G is just beginning to be deployed. The increase in bandwidth is staggering. Will be required for the coming onslaught of autonomous vehicles that need inter vehicle communication. LTE already provides internet access fast enough for streaming video..5G will leave it in the dust. Should be available long before sat. I just gave up with ZTE's Mobley on AT&T's system. While it was fast enough for streaming video and game playing, the Mobley would occasionally lose internet access (although still seemingly connected to the cell system). I'd have to power it down and let it reconnect. Not ready for prime time yet!
RayJayco
Explorer
May 04, 2017
Perhaps they have found a way to get around those pesky atmospheric and weather conditions to provide a constant signal...
wa8yxm
Explorer III
May 04, 2017
GordonThree wrote:
The United States has no excuse but our own greed for lack of broadband Internet being available in every nook and cranny of the Republic.

Satellite Internet won't help us here in the states.

Much clipped to save space.

First: we already have satellite internet... Hughnet, Hughes net Gen5 and Exceed as well as Verizon.. now two of those I've used and .. Yes. they suck.. two I have not. but a Friend uses one and streams multi-channel video with no problem (Exceed)

Exceed is NOT, however, RV friendly (But would work for campgrounds) It is also a tad pricey. as is Hughes and Verison.

Virgin/Space-X should add to competition and lower prices.

There is also a tower based radio internet that covers a good part of the USA.. Google I-2000 if I'm not mistaken or I-2k.. Yes they were around in 1999

It's not that we dont' have it.. IT is that we do not KNOW about it.

There was also a stab at what they call "Broadband over power lines" but it caused far too much radio interference, that is all save one ssytem.. With BPL.. if they can clean it up. anywhere that has power, can have internet.

Oh, and as for your comment on Corporate Greed.. YES. I feel that charging 100+ for 10 bucks worth of bandwidth,,, Is a tad greedy.
srt20
Explorer
May 04, 2017
Yeah this and the ATT fixed antenna deal should help out a lot.

I live 2 miles from a town of 25K people. 30 Miles from the state capital, and 30 miles from a metropolitan area of over 1M people, half way between those 2, and I cannot get wired internet at my house.
BoonHauler
Explorer
May 04, 2017
Space-X has already started launching these satellites, can't get here fast enough IMHO......those of you thinking the service will be the same as existing satellite systems should read the article before you comment.

I heard about this system some time ago, glad to see it's being deployed.
GordonThree
Explorer
May 04, 2017
2oldman wrote:
The article says the sats will be in low-earth orbit.

So Elon is planning to one-up the Iridium constellation?

I still don't get it, this is going to cost him hundreds of billions and decades of work to build. Why not throw that war chest against AT&T and Comcast who own millions of miles on unlit fiber crisscrossing the Nation. Lobby the government to federalize utility right of way access, instead of making every county, township and village a special snowflake who gets to control the monopoly of their road-side shoulders.

As rich as Google is, even they are backing down on the fight... They've massively scaled back their efforts to deploy broadband in part because the local government stranglehold on right of way access.
2oldman
Explorer II
May 03, 2017
The article says the sats will be in low-earth orbit.
westernrvparkow
Explorer
May 03, 2017
kohai wrote:
SpaceX - Satellite internet starting 2019

RV parks shouldn't have any reason not to supply awesome internet, maybe?
The latency on any satellite service will drive most users crazy. And you can't defeat it because the speed of light is a law than cannot be disobeyed. If it doesn't require large dishes and powerful transmitters, it will be yet another system the end user can opt into and remove the RV Park, Coffee shop and other hotspots from the equation. If it requires big equipment, why should a park invest? You will still have the problems associated with providing wifi over several acres and will add the satellite latency issue to the list of other problems.