6 people killed in Texas campsite attack

You can't control people without fear.

EsoxLucius wrote:
And to equate military preparedness to what can be expected for civilian preparedness is ridiculous. To expect everyone to be prepared to kill anyone they meet is asinine.

Thank you for your opinion. If you read for comprehension, it was encouragement to keep your eyes open, and your mind actively looking for options. Asinine?

EsoxLucius wrote:
And to equate military preparedness to what can be expected for civilian preparedness is ridiculous. To expect everyone to be prepared to kill anyone they meet is asinine.

So you believe that folks in the military (or otherwise in conflict) are the only ones who might encounter evil? Could it be said that all those folks in Paris died because no one in the entire crowd was prepared or able to defend themselves? Look at the video of those people who were shot at while at the cafe in Paris. Had almost any of them been armed, they could have almost positively stopped that one attacker. I'll take a gun any day over not having one!!

wa8yxm wrote:
Thank you Majorgator (The "They were shot" info)

Folks I keep hearing from some folks how more guns is the solution..Texas is a state with lots of guns.

Here's the progblem.. Average reaction time is 1/4 of a second, Assuming I'm on the alert it will take me 1/4 second to see you as a danger.. Average.. of course if I'm not on "Red Alert" it might take one second or more to HEY' HE's pointing a gun at me" and with a semi-automatic weaping he's already fired 3 or 4 shots. I'm dead (or dying) and not able to draw my weapon and shoot back.

(on the other hand if I have a weapon he'd better shoot me first cause I tend to shoot straight and I drink coffee, not booze) But still. Odds are even as a teen I'd not have been fast enough.

That is 1/4 second to see the danger.. and then you have to put your hand on teh gun, draw, on some models release the safety, aim and fire... no way are you fast enough.. not possible.

That said. in a campground situation if it is your next site neighbor's family that's getting shot.. You may be fast enough to put a stop to it since the shooter is not focused on you. (You are still covered by "Self Defense" since it's defense of others in this case. but.. Well.. I know folks who are highly trained, and even they have issues with shooting a real person. I **THINK** I know how I'd respond.. But I'd rather not test it.

Actually, my point was being made to counter the folks who said that that there wasn't any indication as to "how" the people were killed. I was not (and will never) make the suggestion that we shouldn't have more good guys with guns. There will always be bad guys with guns...ALWAYS!!! Another gun is not always the answer (might not have saved the victims in this case), but if you don't have some form of self-defense, you may not live to know whether or not it would have made a difference. Your reaction time is not a useful argument against having a gun for self-defense. Your argument is based upon you getting shot and disabled immediately. Of course, that won't always be the case.

bikendan wrote:
I've seen this incident posted on a number of forums.

What bugs me is the OPs post in incorrectly as occurring in a campground, as if to panic all us that use campgrounds.

They all failed to read the news correctly, that it happened at at private residence, NOT a public or private campground.:M

I wish people would read stuff like this thoroughly, before starting a post about it.

Does it matter where it happened? Campground, your living room, Wal-Mart parking lot? Make reasonable preparations for your safety regardless of where you are. If God sees fit, you might be able to thwart the efforts of the perpetrator.

ramgunner wrote:
Asinine?

Exactly. Not everyone has the inclination or ability to arm and train themselves to respond to such threats. If you can, fine, but your tone seems condescending to those who choose not, or are unable, to do so. I am the first to agree that an armed society is a more polite society, but that does not mean people are to blame for their misfortune if they are not armed.

goducks10 wrote:
You can't control people without fear.

No reflection on you goducks10.

Your comment reminds me of a time in America where there was an attempt to control a "class of people" with fear by hooded individuals.

Such may not be the case today but I think of those "nostalgic" coments. It wasn't always peaceful for everyone in America all the time. Just say'n.

NC Hauler wrote:

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winnietrey wrote:
Found this interesting, from US crime statistics, in 1960, homicide rate was 5.1 per 100,000. In 2014 it was 4.5 per 100,000. Population has gone from 178 million to 318 million. So while the number of murders has gone up as our population has increased, the percent has gone down, a little bit.

So apparently the good old days were not quite as safe as we would like to remember. I include myself in that way of thinking.



And with the internet, stories that would have stayed local, now are spread all over, so may magnify how we look at this kind of thing. Before it still happened, we just never heard about it, is my guess

I have said that before. People just naturally wax nostalgic on their childhood or different period. That fact is the more things change the more they stay the same. If anything the 24 hour news cycle just draws attention to these events making it seem like the world is ending.

Guess a lot of it depends on where you grew up. Reckon that would have anything to do with it? I do, and where I grew up allows ME to "wax nostalgic" about how safe it was in and around the area I personally lived and grew up in...thats all that mattered to me as a kid, and actual memories I have.

It's also possible that you didn't hear about some things BECAUSE you were a kid.

I had a bucolic childhood in a small town/rural area. No one ever locked their doors, even when going on vacation. Years later, just by chance, I heard of a guy whose cut off head was found in a creek nearby. If I had not heard about that, I would still think the place I grew up was very safe.

(That was, BTW, a hate crime. He was black. And are you aware of the sexual assault and incest rates, everywhere, and how rarely those crimes are even reported to the police?)

Edit: I guess we still cannot mention drapes on this forum.

The more troublesome thing is that some media sources do not feel it is important to report events accurately.

I communicated with the Chief Editor of CNN Broadcast News about the inaccuracies of their coverage of hurricane Rita (the one following Katrina). Since the media had people in place and had been whipped into a frenzy by Katrina, many stories were broadcast with no accuracy. The last E mail from Mr Editor, he stated that it was more important to generate real-time news to inform the public than to get it right. It's difficult to argue with an idiot.

Sounds like they fed the killer drinks before he attacked them.

So much for being friendly to a neighbor. Of course they didn't know he was a psychopath.

majorgator wrote:

EsoxLucius wrote:
And to equate military preparedness to what can be expected for civilian preparedness is ridiculous. To expect everyone to be prepared to kill anyone they meet is asinine.

So you believe that folks in the military (or otherwise in conflict) are the only ones who might encounter evil? Could it be said that all those folks in Paris died because no one in the entire crowd was prepared or able to defend themselves? Look at the video of those people who were shot at while at the cafe in Paris. Had almost any of them been armed, they could have almost positively stopped that one attacker. I'll take a gun any day over not having one!!

wa8yxm wrote:
Thank you Majorgator (The "They were shot" info)

Folks I keep hearing from some folks how more guns is the solution..Texas is a state with lots of guns.

Here's the progblem.. Average reaction time is 1/4 of a second, Assuming I'm on the alert it will take me 1/4 second to see you as a danger.. Average.. of course if I'm not on "Red Alert" it might take one second or more to HEY' HE's pointing a gun at me" and with a semi-automatic weaping he's already fired 3 or 4 shots. I'm dead (or dying) and not able to draw my weapon and shoot back.

(on the other hand if I have a weapon he'd better shoot me first cause I tend to shoot straight and I drink coffee, not booze) But still. Odds are even as a teen I'd not have been fast enough.

That is 1/4 second to see the danger.. and then you have to put your hand on teh gun, draw, on some models release the safety, aim and fire... no way are you fast enough.. not possible.

That said. in a campground situation if it is your next site neighbor's family that's getting shot.. You may be fast enough to put a stop to it since the shooter is not focused on you. (You are still covered by "Self Defense" since it's defense of others in this case. but.. Well.. I know folks who are highly trained, and even they have issues with shooting a real person. I **THINK** I know how I'd respond.. But I'd rather not test it.

Actually, my point was being made to counter the folks who said that that there wasn't any indication as to "how" the people were killed. I was not (and will never) make the suggestion that we shouldn't have more good guys with guns. There will always be bad guys with guns...ALWAYS!!! Another gun is not always the answer (might not have saved the victims in this case), but if you don't have some form of self-defense, you may not live to know whether or not it would have made a difference. Your reaction time is not a useful argument against having a gun for self-defense. Your argument is based upon you getting shot and disabled immediately. Of course, that won't always be the case.

bikendan wrote:
I've seen this incident posted on a number of forums.

What bugs me is the OPs post in incorrectly as occurring in a campground, as if to panic all us that use campgrounds.

They all failed to read the news correctly, that it happened at at private residence, NOT a public or private campground.:M

I wish people would read stuff like this thoroughly, before starting a post about it.

Does it matter where it happened? Campground, your living room, Wal-Mart parking lot? Make reasonable preparations for your safety regardless of where you are. If God sees fit, you might be able to thwart the efforts of the perpetrator.

If God didn't want the perp to get you, why did he send him there to begin with?

Maybe so I could take him out.

Who said God sent him there... Maybe the devil did.