Acutal Tongue Wt vs. Manufacturer's Statement

drsteve wrote:

Does it perhaps say 2660 KG rather than lb?

Hmmmm, not sure. The sales person who was showing me the TT looked over at the sticker and said it was the wrong one.

Taking their word for it, I just glanced at the number and saw 2600 something without giving it much thought.
Very well could be.

5880 in Lbs converts to 2667 in Kg.

Very well could be, so I just fired off an email to the dealer asking them to double check.

Walaby wrote:
Slightly off topic, but still of valid concern perhaps for OP.

OP - do you have insurance on your rig for the time it is in the 'care' of the dealer? Hope so, because the dealer may not be all that concerned about your TT once he has his money.

Just something to think about.

Mike

Yes, required for storage on their lot.
Free until 4/1/18
$43.50/mo after that.

...I may just wait until the end of April depending on how cold out it is and if they still have snow on the ground.

brianosaur wrote:

JBarca wrote:

You said spreadsheet, since you ordered it, did they give you some kind of order confirmation sating the numbers?

The hard copy I have is a spreadsheet of ALL the Connect TT's with all the weight and capacity data on it.

KZ Connect Data .pdf

But yeah, it's the brochure.
...and it states 'average' weight.

When I went to the dealer yesterday, the sticker was wrong. Someone at the plant put one on the door that showed like 2600lbs gvwr and other way off info.

The dealer told me they would contact KZ for the correct sticker. Hopefully, this will be addressed correctly.

Does it perhaps say 2660 KG rather than lb?

Slightly off topic, but still of valid concern perhaps for OP.

OP - do you have insurance on your rig for the time it is in the 'care' of the dealer? Hope so, because the dealer may not be all that concerned about your TT once he has his money.

Just something to think about.

Mike

To the OP - considering we now finally know the K-Z Spree you're buying is a C241BHK it's a pretty safe bet that loaded & ready to camp you'll be running a GVW for this trailer of at least 6200 lbs, up to a maximum of of it's GVWR of 6800 lbs depending on how careful you are in loading it. That in turn will translate into an average gross tongue weight of ~ 800 to 900 lbs @ 13%. A 10,000 / 1,000 lb Equal-i-zer would be perfect for this application, avoiding the need to use a stand alone sway bar which requires that holes be drilled in the frame. :)

JBarca wrote:

You said spreadsheet, since you ordered it, did they give you some kind of order confirmation sating the numbers?

The hard copy I have is a spreadsheet of ALL the Connect TT's with all the weight and capacity data on it.

KZ Connect Data .pdf

But yeah, it's the brochure.
...and it states 'average' weight.

When I went to the dealer yesterday, the sticker was wrong. Someone at the plant put one on the door that showed like 2600lbs gvwr and other way off info.

The dealer told me they would contact KZ for the correct sticker. Hopefully, this will be addressed correctly.

brianosaur wrote:


The spreadsheet data says:

Unloaded Vehicle Weight - not DRY weight. Am I correct in assuming that would now include LP & battery?

Also the UVW is 5120
...not my typo of 5880

Unloaded Vehicle weight is the same are dry weight. No battery and no LP gas in the tanks. It is unloaded weight from the factory not including and add options or dealer added extras. The dealer puts the battery on and fills the tanks.

The 5,120 UVW is right off the web brochure. https://www.kz-rv.com/products/connect-travel-trailers/C241BHK.html

You said spreadsheet, since you ordered it, did they give you some kind of order confirmation sating the numbers?

brianosaur wrote:

JBarca wrote:
Hi,

If this the camper you ordered? Maybe with some added options. https://www.kz-rv.com/products/connect-travel-trailers/C241BHK.html

You asked about 1,200# WD bars. If you're TW ended up at 1,000# and it's not hard to get there, they would be a good choice.

If the dealer comes out with a 800# WD bar hitch, you have a problem from the get go. It is not going to work. A 1,000# WD hitch fits to 15% of the 6800 GVWR and is better choice.

That and confirm ideally from the factory, not the dealer, the A frame handle a 1,200# WD bar.

Yes thats the model. 5880 was wrong typo. 5120 UVW correct.

Dealer recommended 1000lb bars. Will check with KZ.

Can anyone tell me if a WDH with a load range (700-1200) is ADJUSTABLE?

I'm glad you had a typo..... That helps

To your question in red, the 700-1200# WD bar range means those WD bars will work with a loaded TW from 700-1200# and within the warranty from the manufacture. You can adjust the amount of WD that is applied on the truck, yes that part is adjustable. Meaning if you have 1,000# of TW, you adjust the hitch to apply enough WD on the truck to return the truck front axle to the correct place. This is all good on level ground.

Why I started to get it confirmed from KZ is, when you go over humps and bumps, the WD hitch takes a backflex. Like when coming up off of a high up RR crossing or out of a gas station where the road is lower than the station pavement. That backflex created a heavy load into the WD hitch. Since the WD bars are 1,200# rated they have the ability to exert a load into the truck receiver and the camper A frame just as it you were having a 1,200# loaded TW.

Some of these new lite weight campers have limits on the A frame that they can get bent from using too strong a WD bar. The truck receiver is also then over rating too. The trailer can be very unforgiving if you bend the A frame.

Hope this helps

John

JBarca wrote:
Hi,

If this the camper you ordered? Maybe with some added options. https://www.kz-rv.com/products/connect-travel-trailers/C241BHK.html

You asked about 1,200# WD bars. If you're TW ended up at 1,000# and it's not hard to get there, they would be a good choice.

If the dealer comes out with a 800# WD bar hitch, you have a problem from the get go. It is not going to work. A 1,000# WD hitch fits to 15% of the 6800 GVWR and is better choice.

That and confirm ideally from the factory, not the dealer, the A frame handle a 1,200# WD bar.

Yes thats the model. 5880 was wrong typo. 5120 UVW correct.

Dealer recommended 1000lb bars. Will check with KZ.

Can anyone tell me if a WDH with a load range (700-1200) is ADJUSTABLE?

downtheroad wrote:
Also, use the trailer for a trip or two BEFORE you store it. No doubt there will be stuff that needs warranty work....probably requiring a trip back to an authorized dealer....don't wait to get the kinks ironed out.

Yeah, would love to but the storage is until we are ready for pickup in April. We are going to buy a new truck too and cant pull it home yet. My plan is to perhaps camp the night we tow it off the lot for a day or two, to a cg less then an hour away, and see if we need to bring it back (for fixin') after spending a couple of nights in it.