Amazed and Disgusted

OLYLEN wrote:
I have a couple times picked up the dog poo and deposited it on the offending parties steps. Seems to cure the problem for the time being anyway. Doing so I saw one offender who was the recipient of my justice, he didn't see me in action, open the door start to step out then in mid stride made a midair move that would have made an Olympic gymnast proud. I have also called people when the squat was in progress and they have returned to pickup. DON"T YA JUST LOVE THE SMELL OF FRESH DOG POO IN THE MORNING, while doing the fresh grass shuffle.

LEN

While you think this is effective, this is precisely the passive aggressive type of behaviour that actually ENCOURAGES more bad behaviour. It is self defeating. It's the Israeli/Palestinian conflict writ micro-small...tit for tat.

No. Speak to them person to person. This is much more effective and results in, generally speaking. a feeling of "community shame" on their part. A situation they will want to avoid in the future.

toedtoes wrote:

Crowe wrote:
You can't fix rude/stupid.

Yes, you can. I've found if you POLITELY explain what they are doing wrong quite often you get an apology, "I didn't know", or some other POLITE response. All to often we just gripe about it and assume they are just idiots. Many are but not all. Why not give the benefit of the doubt and try to fix it instead of just whining about it?

Much of this falls back to parenting or the lack thereof. The mid - late sixties is the root time when some of this started.

And the generations before you said the same thing. I see plenty of people that are well past that age whose attitude is "I'm old, I can do what I want". The different generations are no better or worse-we just choose to see what we want to and ignore the rest. Guess I'm just done with all the complaining. Let's start looking for the good instead of always ranting about the bad.

X2

"The mid sixties... is the root of the time when some of this started..."

Absolute, unadulterated Bull Hockey and nonsense.

Bad behaviour among some in any society is a problem that dates to the very first cities, and really beyond that. I dont know what history you read but this idea that this is a generational thing is unsupportable. This is a CLASS thing and always has been. This is an EDUCATION thing and always has been.

Read Socrates and see that he complains endlessly of the behaviour of the "modern" youth and their lack of manners and bad behavour.

4X4Dodger wrote:

OLYLEN wrote:
I have a couple times picked up the dog poo and deposited it on the offending parties steps. Seems to cure the problem for the time being anyway. Doing so I saw one offender who was the recipient of my justice, he didn't see me in action, open the door start to step out then in mid stride made a midair move that would have made an Olympic gymnast proud. I have also called people when the squat was in progress and they have returned to pickup. DON"T YA JUST LOVE THE SMELL OF FRESH DOG POO IN THE MORNING, while doing the fresh grass shuffle.

LEN

While you think this is effective, this is precisely the passive aggressive type of behaviour that actually ENCOURAGES more bad behaviour. It is self defeating. It's the Israeli/Palestinian conflict writ micro-small...tit for tat.

No. Speak to them person to person. This is much more effective and results in, generally speaking. a feeling of "community shame" on their part. A situation they will want to avoid in the future.

It worked didn't it? The dog owner provoked his neighbor and got payed back. That action got the offenders attention more than talking would have!

Crowe wrote:
You can't fix rude/stupid.

Yes, you can. I've found if you POLITELY explain what they are doing wrong quite often you get an apology, "I didn't know", or some other POLITE response. All to often we just gripe about it and assume they are just idiots. Many are but not all. Why not give the benefit of the doubt and try to fix it instead of just whining about it?

Much of this falls back to parenting or the lack thereof. The mid - late sixties is the root time when some of this started.

And the generations before you said the same thing. I see plenty of people that are well past that age whose attitude is "I'm old, I can do what I want". The different generations are no better or worse-we just choose to see what we want to and ignore the rest. Guess I'm just done with all the complaining. Let's start looking for the good instead of always ranting about the bad.

That is easy for you to say.
One who does not even RV any more!
If you did, you would experience what the OP is saying and would probably be complaining too.

As one who is a full timer, I have seen all the op says getting worse every year.

Guy

Always amazed at how many people pay even the slightest bit of respect to their fellow campers.

AmericalVette wrote:
I've been in this park many times over the past 20 years, and never have I seen such behavior. In the past three days, I've watched folks dump fish cooker oil in a fire pit, not at their site, but in the vacant site next to them. Another guy washed his rig at his site, and yet another washed at a dump station. Another couple routinely walk through others camp sites. The final straw is when a "lady" walked her dog into my site to let him do his business. She was startled when I said something, apparently not having seen me sitting outside. But to her husband's credit, he came over and begrudgingly picked it up. Okay, rant over! It's beer time.

I have said this many times and I'll get flamed I know, but RV parks should not allow pets. Dog owners walk their dogs many times a day on leashes that are not 6' max as required by most parks, they almost always use the extendable ones that allow dogs to lunge at you as you go by out to 12-15' or so - It has happened to me more than once. It also happens to other dog walkers who have to protect their little darlings from the big aggressive dogs or even the little aggressive dogs. And almost all dog walkers walk their dogs to other sites to do their business and most don't pick it up either.

Now on to picking up poop. Based on the volume of poop bags that are taken from the dispensers in the park (very few) I am in and also watching dog walkers most poop is left where it falls and mostly not on the offending dog owner's site.

This picture was taken right in front of a poop dispenser, I just didn't get it in the photo before I cleaned this mess up. This was right in front of one of the bath houses in the middle of the road.
">Poop Deposit

Off of soap box. I need another cup of coffee and let the flames begin.

AmericalVette wrote:

Dick A wrote:
Just for informational and demographic purposes, what are the approximate age of people doing these things?

30ish maybe a bit younger

I see this daily by all ages including those that are definitely old enough to know better. Maybe their old backs won't allow them to bend over that far?

Dick A wrote:
Much of this falls back to parenting or the lack thereof. The mid - late sixties is the root time when some of this started. The era of NAM, free love, and societal values change. It's hard to blame these younger folks as the apple never falls far from the tree.

As one born in the late sixties, I would have to disagree with you on that part. It comes from flat out disrespect. Parenting? Perhaps. But we have seen this type of behavior from people of all ages and gender. There is no specific label.

Dick A wrote:
Much of this falls back to parenting or the lack thereof. The mid - late sixties is the root time when some of this started. The era of NAM, free love, and societal values change. It's hard to blame these younger folks as the apple never falls far from the tree.

Unfortunately, each generation has been getting progressively worse. Respect and courtesy toward others is fast becoming a by-gone era.

i just cannot help myself here. They say that a picture is worth a thousand words.

There is no way that the golf cart would ever pass a smog test. :h