And Texas Caves In

i fairly certain in several parts of the country the fields are plowed ,if needed, and are getting ready to plant. The smaller farms will go ahead and plant , the large corporate farms had better have a plan the government can accept. Please bare in mind we don't pick our own veggies the Mexicans come over to plant and pick................ go figure that one into it.
1000's of gallon of milk are being dumped, veggies are rotting on the vines and so on because the schools and restaurants are closed .... no market for them. The government should be feeding the poor but thats another issue.

Try to remember if you go back to work now we likely will have a much larger hit by this virus.
Only those who can show the 6' rule should be allowed to work and after work they go home and hunker like the rest of us till we find a way out of this.

bid_time wrote:

Lantley wrote:

NJRVer wrote:

rexlion wrote:

time2roll wrote:
US death rate hits a new record today. Not on the back side of the curve yet.

By "death rate," do you mean total number of deaths? Total deaths from Covid-19 will hit a new record every single day, for months to come, simply because if 1 person dies it's a new high in the total deaths (a new record). So that's meaningless, although it sounds impressive at first blush.

The more people that get the disease, the more people will die.

When less people get the disease, there will be less deaths from the disease.

What's so hard to understand about that?

Until we have accurate testing with almost immediate results available to the entire public we cannot restart the economy.
I'm all for restarting the economy ASAP but the restart can't be based on the simple fact that people are broke.
A haphazard restart that allows the virus spread to rekindle itself is foolish.

Meanwhile we have 16 MILLION people unemployed with some of them trying to decide if the should feed their family and be homeless, or have a home but no food.
Pretty easy when you're as snug as a bug in a rug to say keep it shut down.
When you lose the majority of your income the choices become a little more difficult.

Lots of criticism but no substantial ideas on how to proceed. Should we have never shut down? What would the the infection rate have been with no shut down? How many deaths? Now that we have shut down do we just open everything back up tomorrow as though nothing ever happened?
Do we need to tread carefully and wait at least until accurate adequate testing is available nationwide.
Yes we know lots of people are unemployed that was deliberately done to hopefully save lives.
The pandemic, the deaths,the unemployment and the financial crisis are really a crisis created by nature. It has created a tough reality for all of us.
Once upon a time when the going got tough the tough got going. Unfortunately we don't understand tough living, sacrifice, doing things for the good of everyone. We are a bit too caught up in diversity that we can't grasp the idea of "Good of Everyone" vs. "I'm Good"
We live in a "look at me era" were we think sacrifice is something other people do. We think money solves all problems and that somehow if we could get are money back flowing it would resolve the crisis.
Opening the economy without ample testing in place nationwide , will not eliminate the virus, it will only set us back and create more cases, more suffering and more death.

fj12ryder wrote:

rexlion wrote:
We can't wait 18 months to open up the country again. Not with crops rotting in the fields in Florida and California right now, and more crops due to be picked in the next weeks, and spring planting that must take place on time.

When we were asked to agree to give up our liberties due to this virus, we were promised that it would only be in place long enough to flatten the curve of new hospitalization cases. The curve in the US is past peak or peaking (depending upon the locale) right now. We the people should expect the government to keep its word and lift restrictions in the next week or two. Anything else is a betrayal of the citizens' trust.

America is the breadbasket of the world; 18 months of shutdown could cause mass starvation. Here's a story from NBC: crops rotting in fields

Considering the most serious of issues will be in high population density areas, there should be no reason not to get harvesting and planting going. Having a blanket restriction policy isn't necessarily a smart way to go about it. Big cities and high population density areas need to have different restrictions than non-urban areas.

Do you read the news? Farm workers are being hit hard with this. Things are not looking good...

No - I'm not going to cite any particular news source - just do a google search with the words farmworkers and coronavirus.

Lantley wrote:


Until we have accurate testing with almost immediate results available to the entire public we cannot restart the economy.
I'm all for restarting the economy ASAP but the restart can't be based on the simple fact that people are broke.
A haphazard restart that allows the virus spread to rekindle itself is foolish.

OK, there is a second answer to when we can open things. So we need to wait until 350 million tests are produced, administered, and the results analyzed until we can even consider having anything better than a subsistence welfare state economy? And even then it all depends on the results. What if the test results aren't whatever it is you are looking for from those tests? (What ARE you wanting to see from the tests anyway?) We better order another round of tests just to be sure! Then we will be given badges of safe or unsafe depending on whether we had the virus or not. (DR Fauci's idea, not mine) As long as it takes says Lantley. Got it.

bid_time wrote:

time2roll wrote:

rexlion wrote:

time2roll wrote:
US death rate hits a new record today. Not on the back side of the curve yet.

By "death rate," do you mean total number of deaths? Total deaths from Covid-19 will hit a new record every single day, for months to come, simply because if 1 person dies it's a new high in the total deaths (a new record). So that's meaningless, although it sounds impressive at first blush.

No. The rate is the daily rate. Total is total.

2035 died yesterday in the US. That is the highest daily rate recorded to date.

But, there were 33,752 new cases yesterday, 12,000+ less then the day before. Deaths lag the onset of Covid by at least a week.
You can expect the number of deaths to increase for a week, even though the number of cases (the backside of the curve) and the number of hospital admittance's are steadily declining.

This is where goofy arguments start. When you use the word "But" it implies what I said is untrue and it is not. Try to use the word "And" sometimes to simply add your own perspective that is also true. I agree with you and hope to see the rate of death decline soon.

rexlion wrote:
We can't wait 18 months to open up the country again.

I agree. Limited reopening with restrictions such as face coverings should happen sooner than later as far as I am concerned. Yes it will put lives at risk. Remaining closed or remaining home should also be an option for those that feel that is best for them.

rexlion wrote:
We can't wait 18 months to open up the country again. Not with crops rotting in the fields in Florida and California right now, and more crops due to be picked in the next weeks, and spring planting that must take place on time.

When we were asked to agree to give up our liberties due to this virus, we were promised that it would only be in place long enough to flatten the curve of new hospitalization cases. The curve in the US is past peak or peaking (depending upon the locale) right now. We the people should expect the government to keep its word and lift restrictions in the next week or two. Anything else is a betrayal of the citizens' trust.

America is the breadbasket of the world; 18 months of shutdown could cause mass starvation. Here's a story from NBC: crops rotting in fields

Considering the most serious of issues will be in high population density areas, there should be no reason not to get harvesting and planting going. Having a blanket restriction policy isn't necessarily a smart way to go about it. Big cities and high population density areas need to have different restrictions than non-urban areas.

We can't wait 18 months to open up the country again. Not with crops rotting in the fields in Florida and California right now, and more crops due to be picked in the next weeks, and spring planting that must take place on time.

When we were asked to agree to give up our liberties due to this virus, we were promised that it would only be in place long enough to flatten the curve of new hospitalization cases. The curve in the US is past peak or peaking (depending upon the locale) right now. We the people should expect the government to keep its word and lift restrictions in the next week or two. Anything else is a betrayal of the citizens' trust.

America is the breadbasket of the world; 18 months of shutdown could cause mass starvation. Here's a story from NBC: crops rotting in fields

time2roll wrote:

rexlion wrote:

time2roll wrote:
US death rate hits a new record today. Not on the back side of the curve yet.

By "death rate," do you mean total number of deaths? Total deaths from Covid-19 will hit a new record every single day, for months to come, simply because if 1 person dies it's a new high in the total deaths (a new record). So that's meaningless, although it sounds impressive at first blush.

No. The rate is the daily rate. Total is total.

2035 died yesterday in the US. That is the highest daily rate recorded to date.

But, there were 33,752 new cases yesterday, 12,000+ less then the day before. Deaths lag the onset of Covid by at least a week.
You can expect the number of deaths to increase for a week, even though the number of cases (the backside of the curve) and the number of hospital admittance's are steadily declining.

rexlion wrote:

time2roll wrote:
US death rate hits a new record today. Not on the back side of the curve yet.

By "death rate," do you mean total number of deaths? Total deaths from Covid-19 will hit a new record every single day, for months to come, simply because if 1 person dies it's a new high in the total deaths (a new record). So that's meaningless, although it sounds impressive at first blush.

No. The rate is the daily rate. Total is total.

2035 died yesterday in the US. That is the highest daily rate recorded to date.