charging an EV at a campground

Maybe the EV could charge 10pm to 10 am and have virtually no effect. Crazy talk. Again local owner can dictate.

toedtoes wrote:
Yeah, it sounds bad doesn't it? But are the arguments that someone with an EV shouldn't be allowed to charge at a campground because they use "too much" power but an RV can pull that much or more any better? How about the RV staying for a week that runs all they can on the 50amp plug and then runs a 20amp extension cord to the pedestal to run even more every day. Aren't they overloading the system as much or more than someone who just stayed 12-24 hours to charge their EV?

Again, if the complaint is the power consumption then RVers who use excessive power should also be called out.

So can we at least agree that the original ‘design intent’ of the CG pedestal was to power RV appliances, thus pre-dates EV charging, and is it reasonable to simultaneously charge an EV while also suppling an RV - Really?… And how many same-time incidences of this must occur before exceeding CG supply limits??… Are we to assume that this trend is sustainable without adding to ($$) CG infrastructure ??…Just some food for thought only, as for the most part I’ll be somewhat unaffected (I can almost hear, PLEASE SHUT UP, it’s not our problem!!)…

3 tons

3 tons wrote:
toedtows said:

“ Rather than banning EVs from charging on site, maybe a campground is better off limiting the total power pull per campsite per day. Then the customer can choose whether to charge their EV or run 3 ACs or do 10 loads of laundry and it won't affect anyone else in the campground. Because it sounds like the main complaint is that a single campsite is pulling more power than the rest - and that shouldn't be just about EV owners, but anyone using "excessive" power.”

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Well how about a ‘pay for what you use’ meter on each pedestal as a start - would pay for themselves and restore some fairness* I would think…

*(whats that??…like subsidies, you’re not supposed to ask - lol)

3 tons

I read this while sitting in a PA state park campground with 290 sites spread over maybe 100 or more wooded acres on a mountainside. Nice place, lots of room between sites. I can only imagine what it would cost to individually meter the sites in this place, which would require a total underground rewire and major revisions to the overhead primary.

toedtows said:

“ Rather than banning EVs from charging on site, maybe a campground is better off limiting the total power pull per campsite per day. Then the customer can choose whether to charge their EV or run 3 ACs or do 10 loads of laundry and it won't affect anyone else in the campground. Because it sounds like the main complaint is that a single campsite is pulling more power than the rest - and that shouldn't be just about EV owners, but anyone using "excessive" power.”

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Well how about a ‘pay for what you use’ meter on each pedestal as a start - would pay for themselves and restore some fairness* I would think…

*(whats that??…like subsidies, you’re not supposed to ask - lol)

3 tons

Yeah, it sounds bad doesn't it? But are the arguments that someone with an EV shouldn't be allowed to charge at a campground because they use "too much" power but an RV can pull that much or more any better? How about the RV staying for a week that runs all they can on the 50amp plug and then runs a 20amp extension cord to the pedestal to run even more every day. Aren't they overloading the system as much or more than someone who just stayed 12-24 hours to charge their EV?

Again, if the complaint is the power consumption then RVers who use excessive power should also be called out.

toedtoes wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Bobbo wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
And, as most EVs are only capable of pulling small trailers, you aren't likely to see one campsite pulling power to charge the EV plus run 2+ ACs, 2 televisions, a microwave, coffee maker, hair dryer, electric fireplace heater, electric blanket, etc.

Don't forget that you can have a 45 foot diesel pusher with 3 ACs and a clothes dryer towing an EV that needs charging.

We used to do that. We rarely charged at a campsite though. Usually at charging facilities when we were out and about. In a pinch we charged overnight with our level charger. 1.4 kw draw. Meh.

In the big scheme of things, if someone has the 45ft diesel pusher with 3 ACs and a clothes dryer without the EV, then they are likely already pulling a huge load on the campground's infrastructure,


Rather than banning EVs from charging on site, maybe a campground is better off limiting the total power pull per campsite per day. Then the customer can choose whether to charge their EV or run 3 ACs or do 10 loads of laundry and it won't affect anyone else in the campground. Because it sounds like the main complaint is that a single campsite is pulling more power than the rest - and that shouldn't be just about EV owners, but anyone using "excessive" power.

Enforced by the power police commanded by Chief Reddy Kilowatt lol.

Maybe it’s just me (FWIW, I’m ok with that…), but based on the previous dialogue, the fact is that EV’s ‘add to’ what’s an already marginal (if not often outdated…) utility grid, and with California (et al) drastically ramping up their EV mandates (but without weather exempt energy substitutes), it would seem that ‘non-weather related’ supply sources should FIRST be identified (such as natural gas or nuclear electrical generating power plants) to displace today’s pump fuels…The old adage, “the cart’s ahead of the horse” seem somewhat applicable… How is it NOT ok for others to question this important concern, and the scarce battery element environmental issues (strip mining)??…With full respect to the EV trend, I’m not sure that a Constructive, objective dialogue is all too very possible - hopefully I’m FLAT Wrong…

3 tons

Reisender wrote:

Bobbo wrote:

toedtoes wrote:
And, as most EVs are only capable of pulling small trailers, you aren't likely to see one campsite pulling power to charge the EV plus run 2+ ACs, 2 televisions, a microwave, coffee maker, hair dryer, electric fireplace heater, electric blanket, etc.

Don't forget that you can have a 45 foot diesel pusher with 3 ACs and a clothes dryer towing an EV that needs charging.

We used to do that. We rarely charged at a campsite though. Usually at charging facilities when we were out and about. In a pinch we charged overnight with our level charger. 1.4 kw draw. Meh.

In the big scheme of things, if someone has the 45ft diesel pusher with 3 ACs and a clothes dryer without the EV, then they are likely already pulling a huge load on the campground's infrastructure,


Rather than banning EVs from charging on site, maybe a campground is better off limiting the total power pull per campsite per day. Then the customer can choose whether to charge their EV or run 3 ACs or do 10 loads of laundry and it won't affect anyone else in the campground. Because it sounds like the main complaint is that a single campsite is pulling more power than the rest - and that shouldn't be just about EV owners, but anyone using "excessive" power.

3 tons wrote:

time2roll wrote:

3 tons wrote:
but back on topic, I’m not too sure about EV charging and Campgrounds being a good mix - Maybe I’m wrong here…JMHO

3 tons

Yes actually back on topic would be how to charge..... not so much if charging is good or bad. I think I will leave it up to the camp owner to decide if charging an EV is good or bad at their own location and their discretion.

Exactly, I’m much more in favor of letting the CG owner-operators find a way to sort this matter all out (though I sincerely wish them well as enforcement will likely be problematic :E), Me not too much in favor of yet another intransigent bureaucratic solution…

FWIW, your points are duly noted Sir, and I’ve enjoyed the conversational respite !! :)

3 tons

Totally agree. The campground owner knows his campground and infrastructure. If he thinks it’s a bad idea he can simply not allow it. Alternatively if he has confidence in his infrastructure he can advertise it as EV charge friendly and attract clients. There are a number of charge apps he can add his campground to. As well he can spread the news on the Facebook EV towing groups and the word will get out. (This is already happening). Bottom line is it’s the owner/operators choice.

time2roll said, “your post brought in the implied conspiracy that…….”

For the record, the Denver Paper was my source (and I’d provided the link, previous pg.) - either way, you tact (i.e. concerning voluntary vs involuntary during an emergency) is in my view hugely pointless…Others are free to decide for themselves…I’ll throw you a bone if it helps…

Per Denver Paper:

“Thousands of Xcel customers locked out of thermostats during 'energy emergency'
22,000 people lost control of temperatures in their homes for hours Tuesday”