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RoyF
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Dec 06, 2013

Concerned about traffic signals with short yellow light

Fifth-wheel is winterized, snow is coming down, so there is time to reflect, but I leave worrying about the big problems of the world to others. I can't solve them, anyway.

It is usually a pleasure to drive down the road towing my fifth-wheel, but one situation that keeps me on edge is when I am in a town or developed area where the speed limit is (usually) 45 mph and there are traffic lights every mile or so. The yellow light typically comes on for three seconds. Last summer, I was in places where the yellow was on for two seconds. There is no way I can bring my fifth wheel from 45 mph to zero in three seconds, let alone two.

When I am not towing, I try to keep a three-second gap behind the car in front. When towing the fifth-wheel, I try increase the gap to seven seconds. (Of course, four-wheelers are constantly pulling in front of me, so the gap is something to try for, not to achieve.) I think that next season, I am also going to drop my speed to 35 or less when approaching any traffic light.

It also bothers me that I have never figured out exactly how long it takes me to stop my fifth-wheel at any given speed. I only know that it takes longer to stop when towing. I'm not talking emergency stopping, but the kind of stopping I need when that yellow light comes on. I have never seen any mention of stopping distances in Trailer Life Magazine, and there are too many variables anyway: tow vehicle, trailer, brake controller, tires, road condition. Something that I would like to do with my own trailer (when the snow melts) is take it to a suitable place (I know of a housing development not too far away that may still be all vacant) and try some stops from 45 mph, 35 mph, 25 mph. No wheel-lockup stops here, just "normal" stops. That should help me to figure out what gap to use and what speed to drive, at least with my own truck and trailer. I'll post the results.
  • LOL The system is designed to make money, so they set them short.

    The Federal Highway Administration Standard on Uniform Traffic Control Section 4D.10 Yellow Change and Red Clearance Intervals states

    Standard
    A yellow signal indication shall be displayed following every CIRCULAR GREEN or GREEN ARROW signal indication.

    The exclusive function of the yellow change interval shall be to warn traffic of an impending change in the right-of-way assignment.

    The duration of a yellow change interval shall be predetermined.

    Guidance:
    A yellow change interval should have a duration of approximately 3 to 6 seconds. The longer intervals should be reserved for use on approaches with higher speeds.

    The Institute of Traffic Engineers have done some calculations and came up with the following:

    Recommended Yellow Light Times
    Three seconds should be the absolute minimum time for any intersection.

    25 MPH -- 3.0 Seconds
    30 MPH -- 3.5 Seconds
    35 MPH -- 4.0 Seconds
    40 MPH -- 4.5 Seconds
    45 MPH -- 5.0 Seconds
    50 MPH -- 5.5 Seconds
    55 MPH -- 6.0 Seconds

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