Could We See Big Block Gas V-8 & V-10 In New Trucks Again

timmac wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
I certainly hope so! Be a great option instead of the problematic diesels!

I agree, also the extra $8000 for a diesel and high maintenance cost I would rather have Fords V-10 in a truck.

I love when I see quotes like this, it makes me wonder if they ever owned one. I have 200K miles between my current and former truck and never had a major repair. Diesels also hold there resale much better also, you will get the majority of that cost back when you sell or trade. It's kind of like me saying "never buying a gas, they have half the power, half the life, and half the fuel economy.

Dan

NYCgrrl wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

gbopp wrote:

spoon059 wrote:
What makes anyone think that Trump will get rid of the EPA or seriously alter it?

Wishful thinking. Some hope is better than no hope. ;)

Well. If I'm not mistaken. the guy he appointed to run it. wants to shut it down. Pretty sure that is what I read

You read correctly:).

Trump stated during his campaign he basically wants to gut the EPA and his nominee for that department, Scott Pruitt, is a good friend to the fossil fuel industry.

Yea - we don't need no stinkin EPA. They don't need such an agency in Beijing...

Dave H M wrote:
I kinda went through this thread fast but still wonder bout the drift.

I thought that the V10 was still alive and well in F450 and up and motor home chassis. Maybe not in 17?

I am pleased with the 6.2 in my F 250 and would not to go to a V10. But I only tow 10K.

It is still available in other configurations but not the F-250 F-350. Have only heard good things about the 6.2 but do not own one.

My old V-10 gets about 13.7 mpg solo at 75 mph highway, I did not think that was to bad for a 6260# truck.

I kinda went through this thread fast but still wonder bout the drift.

I thought that the V10 was still alive and well in F450 and up and motor home chassis. Maybe not in 17?

I am pleased with the 6.2 in my F 250 and would not to go to a V10. But I only tow 10K.

Matt_Colie wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Nope I am looking for a plug-in hybrid MH or truck.

No Going to Happen.
As soon as the road load horsepower gets up there, both hybrid and plug in loose big.
My experienced engineering opinion.

Matt

Just looking to have maybe 20 miles electric range to go to the grocery. Get some boost while climbing a hill. Save the brakes a bit in town or descending a grade. Yes driving down the highway will need to burn some fuel but I think the engine could be about half the size when combined with an electric motor.

I do fear the cost will be insane. And yes I have been driving an electric vehicle for almost six years. Truck still burns gas.

A resurgence of big block power... no I don't see that happening.

The current Ford V10 is a pretty darn good engine with a heck of a bunch of torque. We have around 70 school buses, equipped with the Ford V10 running propane. These things will leave everyone else in their dust, when accelerating from a stop light. The V10's have been very dependable too.

dodge guy wrote:

CampingN.C. wrote:

timmac wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
I certainly hope so! Be a great option instead of the problematic diesels!

I agree, also the extra $8000 for a diesel and high maintenance cost I would rather have Fords V-10 in a truck.

The V-10 in my work truck averages 5.5 mpg! Granted it's in a heavy utility truck.
Great motor, but waaay to thirsty.

In an RV application they average 8 depending on how you drive! My 02 by itself on the hwy gets 14.2. It used to get 15 when it had 3.73's. They are not as bad as people make them out to be. Unless you drive it like a hotrod! Or it's a fully loaded work truck!

And I'll bet that V-10 has been in the shop far less than its diesel brother!

50K miles and hasn't been in the shop yet. And no, I can't say the same for our newer 6.7's with less miles.
Just keeping it fair.;)

Diesels are a whole lot cleaner than they used to be. If you put your nose by my exhust pipe you wound not smell diesel. And there is no way you can make black smoke.No matter how hard you push the pedal, if you get anything black it will be the tires burning. I had a Ford V10. It couldn't pull my 30 ftr uphill in the mountains of Az. and it got a high of 8 mpg. Now I get an avg of 14. If thats not better for the enviroment I don"t know what is. Bad for the guy making fuel, they don"t sell as much.

In my personal opinion, based on only a few decades of automotive industry experience,

Big Block SI are Gone.
Engine Fact = Air is horsepower.
If you have a little engine and use a blower to put more air in, it is all the same air.
The problem used to be cooling. Passcar people followed the lead of big engine guys and added the cooling so the boosted engines can live a while.

Engineering Fact:
A clean sheet engine development program is fast at 208 weeks. (That was one fast program and it took us 4 whole years.) I don't even want to think what it cost, but the phase 0 development engines (all the parts done on prototype tooling were a little over 250K$ EACH and not all of them could be used and a some died way early (or were murdered by operator error).

Diesels with:
After treatment,
Computer controls, and
New injection systems -
Are what you will see for the near term.

Diesels will get smaller and you will see diesel electric drives as batteries improve.

The above are all personal opinions and arguments are accepted.

Matt

time2roll wrote:
Nope I am looking for a plug-in hybrid MH or truck.

No Going to Happen.
As soon as the road load horsepower gets up there, both hybrid and plug in loose big.
My experienced engineering opinion.

Matt