E15 Gas Introduced, Car Mfgs Warn Not To Use It

My cardlock dealer just tried to say that I had been fueling with ethanol free fuel and had to refund me $.30+ a gallon. I don't think that I'll be using them any more.
I just got a can of gas for my lawn mowers,riding and push, and I think I'm going to have to go back and check the pump as both of them aren't running at all right.
I also just bought a couple of new cans and they are really a PIA to use. Gonna go back to my old ones. Hate those spouts and they leak bad when you're pouring.

down home wrote:
The Corn Farmers started an effort to get Ethanol into our fuel way back in the fifties. It was flop. It wasn't about conservation or pollution then nor is it now.

Oh I would say it was before the 50's.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

down home wrote:
Indy engines use Methanol, not Ethanol.
I've forgotten all the heat content etc, a long time ago.
Ethanol is not a scientific solution, for anything with our engines.
The Corn Farmers started an effort to get Ethanol into our fuel way back in the fifties. It was flop. It wasn't about conservation or pollution then nor is it now.
I wasn't aware of the fifties efforts until fairly recently. A Relative sen me some photos, of signs at gas stations advertising it.
Never saw it around here.

Where do you people come up with this stuff? :R

Indy cars use ETHANOL NOT METHANOL!

More reading.

It's no wonder people are confused. :S

BTW, ethanol in gasoline certainly is about pollution. Do a smog test with 100% gasoline and then switch to E85 and see which comes out better in HC's.

My Magnum blew zero across the board on gas...tough to get much cleaner than that!

Ok, I haven't been to Indy or kept up with it. They use to use Methanol. I knew it for fact.
Several independent studies have been published substantiating that Ethanol causes a net substantial increase in pollution, from production to use.
:)

down home wrote:
Indy engines use Methanol, not Ethanol.
I've forgotten all the heat content etc, a long time ago.
Ethanol is not a scientific solution, for anything with our engines.
The Corn Farmers started an effort to get Ethanol into our fuel way back in the fifties. It was flop. It wasn't about conservation or pollution then nor is it now.
I wasn't aware of the fifties efforts until fairly recently. A Relative sen me some photos, of signs at gas stations advertising it.
Never saw it around here.

Where do you people come up with this stuff? :R

Indy cars use ETHANOL NOT METHANOL!

More reading.

It's no wonder people are confused. :S

BTW, ethanol in gasoline certainly is about pollution. Do a smog test with 100% gasoline and then switch to E85 and see which comes out better in HC's.

Indy engines use Methanol, not Ethanol.
I've forgotten all the heat content etc, a long time ago.
Ethanol is not a scientific solution, for anything with our engines.
The Corn Farmers started an effort to get Ethanol into our fuel way back in the fifties. It was flop. It wasn't about conservation or pollution then nor is it now.
I wasn't aware of the fifties efforts until fairly recently. A Relative sen me some photos, of signs at gas stations advertising it.
Never saw it around here.

Chris Bryant wrote:
Must be why all those indy cars never get over 50 mph :)

The engines are made for E fuel. Gasoline would damage an indie engine.

Must be why all those indy cars never get over 50 mph :)

The energy or BTU content has nothing to do with the power it can produce. In fact, the more O2 (less Btu's) a fuel has the more power it can produce. This is the reason race engines love alkie; it makes more power, not less.

Here is some reading for you.
More power with alkie.

My Ford F-150 is Flex-Fuel, so the ECM knows that there is booze in the tank and adjusts the fuel/air ratio accordingly. It seems to add a couple more horses when towing, but that is because alcohol burns hotter (why it is used in race cars), but needs more of it.

Of course, MPG goes through the floor, so E-85 is more expensive overall.

When looking at motorhomes, newer Ford models have a note on them stating that even though the engine can handle E-85... the generator can't, so don't run the Onan if one is using ethanol.

I still remember when "gasahol" was introduced in the US in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It managed to completely destroy the engine on a family member's 1978 Honda Accord (the second that was bought in Austin) within less than a mile. Apparently the gas station did not mark that they were using ethanol blends.