Have You Tested the Class As or Cs built with Hybrid Motors?

A little acceleration footage of the Tesla semi. Kinda cool.

If you watch carefully you'll see and hear the traction control make a correction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBiUkiic_cI

This much more interesting than tire pressures, weight slips, and whether it's OK to travel with the propane on. :)

i'm also retired,

and things you said are possible, there could be a drinking buddy of somebody in the know on here

but you missed the point of what i said

if you were the buddy of somebody in the know, a ceo or engineer of some firm developing a hybrid RV or other tech

would you betray that friendship, that confidence my posting that info on a public forum ?

that was the point i was making, IF it was in public to be demoed, test driven, shown off
the word would be out there, there would be a note on the web someplace, probably several places

if it exists in secret or being developed
the ones that know are not talking

and you asked a very specific question, which has not been answered

discussion is good, but anybody who might be able to answer your original question is NOT going too, without betraying said confidence, they are insider who can NOT Publicly acknowledge having driven said vehicle, if it could be acknowledged, there would be something to find

thats why i said it was a naive question, if there is NO public info to be found, those 'in the know' are not going to discuss it on a public forum

Thanksgiving was nice.. Good day to you too

back in 2009 freightliner announced it was developing a electric diesel hybrid with a cummins 6.7 engine, the ECOFRED
winniebago built a test prototype RV and a family was going to drive it across the midwest testing it


NO subsequent info was ever published and freightliner dropped the idea

MNGeeks61 wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

MNGeeks61 wrote:
I'm just sitting back and watching everyone play semantics...

Can you buy a Tesla Roadster, right NOW? No? Then it is NOT the world's fastest production car... yet.

The guy on the Tesla Racing channel has a GUTTED car P100D with one racing seat and AWD. Thing weighs about 4700 lbs. Yes, it's impressive for short bursts, but he DOES lose to some cars once they catch up to him :)

I am curious as I haven't seen it, but how often do you think he needs to recharge after about 6 passes at full acceleration? I think he drops about 25% of his capacity, I'd have to go look at his vids again.

Thing is, some people are so gung-ho about the electric car they can't face reality. I love electric cars and electric golf carts, just go look on Youtube for a 72 or 144v golf cart that broke the 100 mph barrier. I think it was from Plum Quick Motors.

too many reality checks. we certainly do need increased capacity on the grid, already having brownouts, there are issues to be solved. Once that's done, then the next hurdle, making an electric car more affordable in the long term than an ICE.

Yep, it's just too bad I can't afford a Volt or a Leaf or Bolt for $40k... when a Santa Fe sport fully loaded goes for around 33k (that's my wife's car, a 2013) and gets around 28 mpg highway/24 mixed. Not bad at all.

Oh well, I'm happy to watch and hope but I'm a realist. Given Tesla's record...

oh, and someone else in this thread spouted "1/3 cars sold is electric", nah. 88 million cars produced worldwide. 2016 saw 570,000 electric cars sold in the US. Could be wrong, but that's not 33%. The actual stat was comparing electric vehicles sold in the US with # of electric vehicles globally I think. Someone can google it.

Good morning. Some good points but the pricing is off. Basic leaf starts at 29,900. Basic bolt around 37,000. That’s with no incentives etc. Basic Tesla Model 3 35000 but you’ll have to stand in line for that one. The first model 3’ going to customers now are loaded all wheel drive, premium package etc, around 50 grand. Remember also that EV’s have lower maintenance and operating costs. Both ICE and EV’s have their pros and cons. Don’t buy an ice if you need the advantage of an EV. Don’t buy an EV if you need the advantages of an ICE.

John.

Basic = no AWD and not even cruise control. And I would REALLY prefer a Tesla 3, but since the incentives are already gone AFAIK it's not likely to happen for me. I'd love to see lower costs and I know it'll take some time. Hoping in 10 years I'll have a different lifestyle and could really use an EV for running around town.

Yes, as stated I love electric vehicles/golf carts, I have to remind my neighbors with their gas cart that his engine will cost $1000 to replace while the only three major things on the electric carts are batteries, controller, and motor itself. And they are much easier to work on. On that you'll get no disagreement from me.

Frankly I'm frustrated with the glacial pace of technology when it comes to this. I grew up reading Scientific American and couldn't wait for the electric car that took 2 decades longer that I thought it should've :) So if anyone has any ideas on how to really appeal to the consumer so they WANT an EV over an ICE let me know.

I'll agree that both types of vehicles have their pros and cons. Heck, just get me a hybrid F-150 that'll tow 9,000 lbs and doesn't come in with a GVWR over 10,000 lbs...haha, I'm dreaming now.

Make the demand greater, Tesla has started that ball rolling, just fantastic. Now come up with supply and people will want them more. I'd think the market would be much better with lower prices, competition is good for most everyone.

Off topic - For a while, I tried to find a 3rd gen Prius cheap (under 3k) to use as a commuter vehicle but not much luck. Finally I had to settle on a rusty ICE that gets 24 MPG for $700. But I keep looking for a Gen 2 or 3 prius. Those apparently had good battery banks that would likely last 300k-400k miles with good maintenance.

I hear ya. There are some good deals on the first generation 2011 2012 leafs. They had issues with high heat locations and battery degradation but just for running around town 40 or 50 miles you can get them for under 6000 grand.

Hooe you get that pickup someday.

John.

John & Angela wrote:

MNGeeks61 wrote:
I'm just sitting back and watching everyone play semantics...

Can you buy a Tesla Roadster, right NOW? No? Then it is NOT the world's fastest production car... yet.

The guy on the Tesla Racing channel has a GUTTED car P100D with one racing seat and AWD. Thing weighs about 4700 lbs. Yes, it's impressive for short bursts, but he DOES lose to some cars once they catch up to him :)

I am curious as I haven't seen it, but how often do you think he needs to recharge after about 6 passes at full acceleration? I think he drops about 25% of his capacity, I'd have to go look at his vids again.

Thing is, some people are so gung-ho about the electric car they can't face reality. I love electric cars and electric golf carts, just go look on Youtube for a 72 or 144v golf cart that broke the 100 mph barrier. I think it was from Plum Quick Motors.

too many reality checks. we certainly do need increased capacity on the grid, already having brownouts, there are issues to be solved. Once that's done, then the next hurdle, making an electric car more affordable in the long term than an ICE.

Yep, it's just too bad I can't afford a Volt or a Leaf or Bolt for $40k... when a Santa Fe sport fully loaded goes for around 33k (that's my wife's car, a 2013) and gets around 28 mpg highway/24 mixed. Not bad at all.

Oh well, I'm happy to watch and hope but I'm a realist. Given Tesla's record...

oh, and someone else in this thread spouted "1/3 cars sold is electric", nah. 88 million cars produced worldwide. 2016 saw 570,000 electric cars sold in the US. Could be wrong, but that's not 33%. The actual stat was comparing electric vehicles sold in the US with # of electric vehicles globally I think. Someone can google it.

Good morning. Some good points but the pricing is off. Basic leaf starts at 29,900. Basic bolt around 37,000. That’s with no incentives etc. Basic Tesla Model 3 35000 but you’ll have to stand in line for that one. The first model 3’ going to customers now are loaded all wheel drive, premium package etc, around 50 grand. Remember also that EV’s have lower maintenance and operating costs. Both ICE and EV’s have their pros and cons. Don’t buy an ice if you need the advantage of an EV. Don’t buy an EV if you need the advantages of an ICE.

John.

Basic = no AWD and not even cruise control. And I would REALLY prefer a Tesla 3, but since the incentives are already gone AFAIK it's not likely to happen for me. I'd love to see lower costs and I know it'll take some time. Hoping in 10 years I'll have a different lifestyle and could really use an EV for running around town.

Yes, as stated I love electric vehicles/golf carts, I have to remind my neighbors with their gas cart that his engine will cost $1000 to replace while the only three major things on the electric carts are batteries, controller, and motor itself. And they are much easier to work on. On that you'll get no disagreement from me.

Frankly I'm frustrated with the glacial pace of technology when it comes to this. I grew up reading Scientific American and couldn't wait for the electric car that took 2 decades longer that I thought it should've :) So if anyone has any ideas on how to really appeal to the consumer so they WANT an EV over an ICE let me know.

I'll agree that both types of vehicles have their pros and cons. Heck, just get me a hybrid F-150 that'll tow 9,000 lbs and doesn't come in with a GVWR over 10,000 lbs...haha, I'm dreaming now.

Make the demand greater, Tesla has started that ball rolling, just fantastic. Now come up with supply and people will want them more. I'd think the market would be much better with lower prices, competition is good for most everyone.

Off topic - For a while, I tried to find a 3rd gen Prius cheap (under 3k) to use as a commuter vehicle but not much luck. Finally I had to settle on a rusty ICE that gets 24 MPG for $700. But I keep looking for a Gen 2 or 3 prius. Those apparently had good battery banks that would likely last 300k-400k miles with good maintenance.

MNGeeks61 wrote:
I'm just sitting back and watching everyone play semantics...

Can you buy a Tesla Roadster, right NOW? No? Then it is NOT the world's fastest production car... yet.

The guy on the Tesla Racing channel has a GUTTED car P100D with one racing seat and AWD. Thing weighs about 4700 lbs. Yes, it's impressive for short bursts, but he DOES lose to some cars once they catch up to him :)

I am curious as I haven't seen it, but how often do you think he needs to recharge after about 6 passes at full acceleration? I think he drops about 25% of his capacity, I'd have to go look at his vids again.

Thing is, some people are so gung-ho about the electric car they can't face reality. I love electric cars and electric golf carts, just go look on Youtube for a 72 or 144v golf cart that broke the 100 mph barrier. I think it was from Plum Quick Motors.

too many reality checks. we certainly do need increased capacity on the grid, already having brownouts, there are issues to be solved. Once that's done, then the next hurdle, making an electric car more affordable in the long term than an ICE.

Yep, it's just too bad I can't afford a Volt or a Leaf or Bolt for $40k... when a Santa Fe sport fully loaded goes for around 33k (that's my wife's car, a 2013) and gets around 28 mpg highway/24 mixed. Not bad at all.

Oh well, I'm happy to watch and hope but I'm a realist. Given Tesla's record...

oh, and someone else in this thread spouted "1/3 cars sold is electric", nah. 88 million cars produced worldwide. 2016 saw 570,000 electric cars sold in the US. Could be wrong, but that's not 33%. The actual stat was comparing electric vehicles sold in the US with # of electric vehicles globally I think. Someone can google it.

Good morning. Some good points but the pricing is off. Basic leaf starts at 29,900. Basic bolt around 37,000. That’s with no incentives etc. Basic Tesla Model 3 35000 but you’ll have to stand in line for that one. The first model 3’ going to customers now are loaded all wheel drive, premium package etc, around 50 grand. Remember also that EV’s have lower maintenance and operating costs. Both ICE and EV’s have their pros and cons. Don’t buy an ice if you need the advantage of an EV. Don’t buy an EV if you need the advantages of an ICE.

John.

I'm just sitting back and watching everyone play semantics...

Can you buy a Tesla Roadster, right NOW? No? Then it is NOT the world's fastest production car... yet.

The guy on the Tesla Racing channel has a GUTTED car P100D with one racing seat and AWD. Thing weighs about 4700 lbs. Yes, it's impressive for short bursts, but he DOES lose to some cars once they catch up to him :)

I am curious as I haven't seen it, but how often do you think he needs to recharge after about 6 passes at full acceleration? I think he drops about 25% of his capacity, I'd have to go look at his vids again.

Thing is, some people are so gung-ho about the electric car they can't face reality. I love electric cars and electric golf carts, just go look on Youtube for a 72 or 144v golf cart that broke the 100 mph barrier. I think it was from Plum Quick Motors.

too many reality checks. we certainly do need increased capacity on the grid, already having brownouts, there are issues to be solved. Once that's done, then the next hurdle, making an electric car more affordable in the long term than an ICE.

Yep, it's just too bad I can't afford a Volt or a Leaf or Bolt for $40k... when a Santa Fe sport fully loaded goes for around 33k (that's my wife's car, a 2013) and gets around 28 mpg highway/24 mixed. Not bad at all.

Oh well, I'm happy to watch and hope but I'm a realist. Given Tesla's record...

oh, and someone else in this thread spouted "1/3 cars sold is electric", nah. 88 million cars produced worldwide. 2016 saw 570,000 electric cars sold in the US. Could be wrong, but that's not 33%. The actual stat was comparing electric vehicles sold in the US with # of electric vehicles globally I think. Someone can google it.

Give it up, turtle. You twist my words and try to claim victory. We're talking about motor vehicles, remember? The Tesla Roadster is now the fastest accelerating production car, by far.

Show me proof that your street legal car runs 9 second 1/4 miles; you won't because you can't; it never happened. It's like the old saying: "The older I get, the faster I was". You must be really old.

Hey 4x4:

If I put up a picture of my car I know you would snivel about something. You will snivel about the tires being too big or the engine is too big or something. I will post one if you promise not to snivel. Deal?


I'm not the one that said: "And the instant torque of electric motors does indeed blow away every internal combustion engine ever produced. That's already fact, not fiction."
I told you about my street rod with plates that will beat ANY production electric car on this planet. And it's not fast by any means. Here is a factory ICE car that will beat any factory electric car Worlds fastest accelerating production car.



Ok, here's my example. Where is yours? Remember you said ANY.



You're dreaming. You never shot me down. And show me an example where I have changed the wording.


Aaaaaaaa the electric car has been around about50 years longer than the ICE car. The reason they failed is because of much of the same reason they are not doing well today.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Never would have guessed this was a 9 second car.

:B :B My car uses almost the same body that car uses and uses the same technology an ICE that was used over a 100 years ago. Pistons? Yep. Crank? Yep. Carburator? Yep; all same ol, same ol.

Besides 4x4 said: "And the instant torque of electric motors does indeed blow away every internal combustion engine ever produced. Notice the word EVERY? I say lets go! I have an internal combustion engine and it was produced and in a car that was also produced. I say my slow old car will beat any "production electric car" on this planet in a 1/4 mile drag race. If 4x4 wants to go to a specialized car; I can show him an ICE that will beat it.

Stop embarasing yourself bub
Tesla EV will destroy any ICE production car..

https://electrek.co/2017/11/17/new-tesla-roadster-halo/