Heads up if you use Aqua-Kem "toss-ins"

I use TST toss ins. I never found them totally intact but but noticed the outer pouch gets slimy and sticky if it gets wet. I have also noticed partial pieces of the outer bag stuck in the sewer hose when disconnecting. I like the convenience so I keep a pair of shears in the bathroom. I cut the bag and dump contents into the toilet. I put the bag in the trash. I suspected it was a problem but this is the first post I have seen about it. Good info.

I had wondered about that. Thanks for the heads up. I tried the dry packets you pour in to the tanks too. The dust /fumes from the powder got in my nose. I probably didn't do it correctly but they are off my list, too. I'll just stick to the liquid.

Lots of posts on this subject. You really need to educate yourself on how dangerous these things are. Not only to your plumbing system, but to the enviroment.

I start them in a bucket with half a gallon of really warm water. It takes about one minute for it to dissolve before adding to the tank. Then I use that bucket to add about five gallons of cold water (and rinse the bucket).

I use a brand called Porta Pak. Just tested it in a mason jar. Less than 5 mins it was dissolved, and no trace of the plastic bag.

Mike

Why do you need any of them? I just use the geo method and never have a problem with odors or otherwise. Many folk just use plain water and have good results.

Thanks for testing and posting your results.

I thnk we had a similar experience with one coming out intact during dumping. (Really like those clear elbows for the dump hose.)

robsouth wrote:
Why do you need any of them? I just use the geo method and never have a problem with odors or otherwise. Many folk just use plain water and have good results.

Nothing wrong with that method. I had septoplasti for sinus problems. My smell system now seems very accute. I use them because my MH smells terrible not using anything. I even use the grey water treatments. If you don't smell it not a problem.

Wow thanks for the heads up. We used that type of product.. I always wondered if they dissolved. Guess Ill research another method before we get trailer in the spring.

Mel (and others including the OP), with all due respect, if you have an odor from either of your tanks, you have a problem and it needs to be attended to. RV tanks are designed to be odor free and putting chemicals in the tank to mask that odor is not fixing the problem....only covering it up.

Obviously, when using and or flushing the toilet you will experience some odor and maybe even some lingering odor immediately after using the toilet...but this is not the fault of the tanks.

If really interested, read the following:


RV Holding-tank Treatments & Deodorizers in Septic Systems

If you spend any time in a recreational vehicle (RV), you probably have experienced the problem of unpleasant odors from the gray water and black water holding tanks. There are a number of commercial products available to treat and control those odors while traveling or camping in your RV. Some of the products contain chemicals which may also adversely impact the septic systems that receive your holding-tank contents and, as a result, may pollute water resources. These chemicals and their by-products can kill the good bacteria in septic systems and may contribute to the discharge of dangerous, contaminated, health-threatening effluent to the soil surface or into groundwater or nearby surface waters.

Many RV facilities, throughout the country, rely on onsite waste water treatment systems (septic systems) to treat sewage, and septic systems are particularly vulnerable to chemical contamination. The purpose of this fact sheet is to explain how a septic system works and how RV holding-tank treatments and deodorizers may harm them.

How Septic System Works
Septic systems are individual (onsite) waste water treatment systems where waste water is collected, treated, and disposed (as opposed to offsite treatment at a municipal waste water treatment plant). A typical septic system contains two major components: a septic tank and a soil treatment area, also known as a drain field or leach field. The purpose of the septic tank is to allow for separation of solids from liquids and to provide time for naturally- occurring microorganisms to partially breakdown organic matter in the waste water. The soil treatment area disperses the septic tank effluent and provides the final treatment of the waste water through physical, biological, and chemical processes in the soil.

RV Treatments & Deodorizers
The two major functions of RV treatments and deodorizers are to facilitate the liquefying of solid wastes and reduce odors in the holding tanks. These RV products may contain enzymes or very toxic chemicals, such as formaldehyde. Most products either mask the odor or kill the bacteria causing the odors. When such treated RV waste water is dumped into a septic system (or municipal waste water treatment facility), it can kill the bacteria in the system and ultimately cause the treatment system to fail. Without bacteria, the treatment system cannot adequately treat the waste. There is no (or very limited) breakdown (“digestion”) of organic matter, and the primary treatment process (settling of the waste) may be hindered. Inadequately treated waste water allows solids to pass from the septic tank to the absorption field and clog the soil. Clogged systems will allow inadequately treated sewage to surface or percolate to groundwater. Surfacing effluent can affect the health of people or pets who come in contact with it. Percolated chemicals and untreated waste water may contaminate nearby drinking water wells, rivers, and streams. Please read the labels carefully to identify any hazardous ingredients. Table 1 has a list of active ingredients to avoid because of their potential threat to onsite waste water treatment systems.

What You Can Do to Help
Sewage treatment problems make RV living less comfortable and increase the cost of operating a RV park. You can help keep your fees reasonable and protect the environment by taking these basic steps:
Minimize your use of holding-tank treatments • and deodorizers by dumping your holding tanks frequently.

Leave gray water valves open whenever you are connected to a RV park sewer service line. Leave black water tank valves closed and dump when half or more full. NOTE: Dumping with less than a half tank will seldom be an adequate volume to properly “flush” solids, and you could experience a persistent paper/fecal build-up in the tank. Holding tank gauges/monitors are seldom accurate. Therefore, use a flashlight and look down from above the stool to judge the fullness of your tank. Don’t dump holding tank contents on the ground.
Use a tank flushing device after dumping a RV holding tank each time. These in-tank devices can be self-installed or by a RV service center. In-line back-flushing or “wand” type devices are also available.

NOTE: don’t use potable drinking water hoses for such activities.
When using a holding-tank treatment or deodorizer, read the label and follow the directions carefully. REMEMBER, excessive amounts of RV holding tank treatments or deodorizers and those not recommended by the manufacturer can and will disrupt the waste water treatment system you dump into. Consider using only enzyme-based or bacterial-based products. Please note that the term biodegradable does not necessarily mean that the product is safe for humans or the environment. Never use bleach to treat or “sweeten” a tank. Bleach can severely and quickly damage valves, seals, and gaskets.
Ask questions of your park manager about drinking (potable) water and waste water management. Sanitation costs can be minimal, but are not free.

Educate other RVers. Don’t be shy about your health or the health of the environment.

The restoration of failed RV-park septic systems ultimately costs you money. The costs to renovate a system will be added to your space fee, and the restoration of contaminated groundwater can be extremely time consuming and costly. Further information is available on household septic systems at the University of Arizona Extension publications web page (http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs).

Active Ingredient
Threats to Human and Environmental Health
Bronopol(chemical name: bromo-nitropropane-diol)bacterial pesticide

Dowicil (chemical name: 1-(3-chlorallyl)-3,4,7-triaza-1-azoniaadamantane chloride) bacterial pesticide (EPA states “Do not discharge effluent containing this product to sewer systems without previously notifying the local sewage treatment plant authority.”)

Formaldehyde (also known as Formalin; degradate of bronopol)
kills or retards bacterial growth, recognized by EPA as probable carcinogen1; moderately toxic to humans.

Glutaraldehyde (also known as embalming fluid). Retards bacterial growth and covers sewage odor, eye inhalation irritant.

Paraformaldehyde
(polymerized formaldehyde) very toxic to humans3 (see formaldehyde)

Para-dichlorobenzene (common ingredient in mothballs, urinal cakes, and toilet bowl fresheners) known carcinogen1 and drinking water contaminant; moderately toxic to humans.

1 a carcinogen causes cancer
2 lethal dose for 150 lb person is between 1 ounce to 1 pint
3 lethal dose for 150 lb person is between 1 teaspoon to 1 ounce

This fact sheet was adapted from Alert for RV, Boat and Mobile Home Owners and Park Operators About Safe Wastewater Disposal, EPA Publication 909-F-99-002, July 1999.