Help with hitch / tongue weight

Ron Gratz wrote:

LarryJM wrote:
Again you also need to take all this up with those clearly agreeing with me to clarify for your better understanding if you care to learn what I think is your misreading of such things as this cargo before or after the WDH is engaged, etc.

I have provided clearly that TONGUE WT as it pretains to WDH and I believe the receiver capacities/specs includes CARGO ADDED after the TV REAR AXLE ... PERIOD.

Larry, you are going to have to help me understand what you are saying.
Can you please provide some straight answers to my questions which follow your statements?

LarryJM wrote:
---Hook up your trailer run across the scales and then have someone stand on your rear bumper and do a second run across the scales and all your weights including those on the TT axles will change. That can only happen if the "TONGUE WEIGHT" has changed unless you have adjusted your WDH system.

When the load on the TT axles increases -- will the downward vertical load applied to the receiver a) increase, b) decrease, or c) stay the same? Why?

LarryJM wrote:

And all I'm saying is that this additional load should and can be considered "TONGUE WEIGHT" since that is what the WDH is designed to do and that is to DISTRIBUTE TONGUE WT. which in this case included that extra cargo wt. that constructively appears at the ball/coupler position.

I understand that "extra cargo wt." is weight which is added to the rear of the TV after the WDH is adjusted.
Can you please explain what you mean by "that extra cargo wt. that constructively appears at the ball/coupler position"?

LarryJM wrote:
---Having extra wt show up on the TT axles w/o physically adding any wt to the TT can only come from what we typically classify as tongue wt that is being redistributed by the WDH to the various axles.---

Do you believe that when the rear of the TV is forced down by adding cargo after WD is applied, the lowering of the rear of the TV and front of the TT will cause the load on the WD bars to increase?
Do you believe that increasing the load on the WD bars will result in a torque which causes the downward force on the TT's axles to increase without actually adding any weight (mass) to the TT?
Do you believe that increasing the downward force on the TT's axles without increasing the weight (mass) of the TT must be accompanied by a reduction in the vertical force acting on the TV's receiver?

LarryJM wrote:
---You may think that the the cargo is not what is added after the WDH is adjusted, but if you read carefully the context that the quotes I gave from etrailer and Cequent from that is IMO not the case.---

Actually, I believe that "cargo" is what is added both before and after the WDH is adjusted -- and all of it is part of the TV's payload.
When cargo is added after the WDH is adjusted -- will the downward vertical force applied to the receiver a) increase, b) decrease, or c) stay the same? Why?

Ron

Ron,

I'm not going to play word games with you. I understand what etrailer and CEQUENT say and agree with it and have tried to say the same in this thread, it is you that are having some issue with what they have said. If not then just agree with those quotes and we are thru, no questions needed to be asked or answered. I stated the fact that this Cargo added after the axle is to be included to the tongue wt of the trailer only tongue wt as seen say on a Sherline scale for sizing you WDH system and I believe it would apply to what is called the tongue wt. in a WDH configuration for a receiver. This "CARGO" wt that both etrailer and CEQUENT are talking about is something that is
ADDED meaning it wasn't there and is the only change in you setup. It wasn't there when the WDH was first adjusted or setup because it is typically temporary as illustrated in the CEQUENT mention of things like gas cans, tools, etc. which are items not normally in the TV, but are added after you have setup your WDH system just like specifically my 4 fuel cans that are empty until my first fuel stop and then are typically used in a day or two. This is EXACTLY what both etrailer and CEQUENT has also said and that's all I really need to know. The minutia of what goes where, and how this or that happens at the level you want to talk about is unimportant to me. Now the end resulting weights axle wise is of course important. I tried to give reasonable example like this standing on the bumper to illustrate what I was saying, but you seem to want to nitpik and get down in the really unimportant details of analyzing that to death and which this analysis you are giving only you and maybe one other really understands so we don't know if it's even correct or not ... I have no earthly idea and quite frankly could care less since nobody else tries to do what you are doing swimming down in this to me basically meaningless minutia.

You can go ahead and get down in all this what I call gibberish since I really don't care to try and put numbers into some formula which non of us except you are sure are even correct as you are trying to use them.

Instead of asking me questions why haven't you addressed and explained with counter authorative references SPECIFICALLY COUNTERING THIS ADDED CARGO AFT OF THE TV AXLE that both etrailer and CEQUENT among others are saying you should include or add to tongue wt for sizing your WDH SYSTEM. You evidently don't think they are correct so why don't YOU explain clearly why they are in error which I haven't seen I don't think. You should also contact them and have them correct their errors if you believe what they are saying to do is not correct as you seem to believe. I believe what they say is true and correct and you are the one not apparantely believing them.

Larry