Help with hitch / tongue weight
Hello All! I'm in the early stages of camper shopping (wanting to upgrade) and I would love some help understanding the tongue weight limits. I have read on 1000 different sites that the max tongue w...
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mkirsch,
I think you've missed the whole point of all this and it's not about changing your WDH settings or changes in the vehicle attitude with respect to say wheel well clearances, it about properly sizing your WDH system to account for any temporary or transient cargo added aft of the rear axle AFTER YOU HAVE SETUP YOUR WDH SYSTEM. If you read and accept what CEQUENT recommends this cargo added aft of the TV axle is added to the trailer tongue weight w/o any adjustment so if your normal tongue wt is say 1000lbs and you add 200 then your new weight that should be used for WDH system sizing would be 1200lbs which is a 20 percent increase which IMO is not insignificant. Furthermore, it's not about how much this additional wt. might change the actual wheel well heights, it's about sizing your WDH system to effectively counter and redistribute the correct maximum wt. that it is subject to.It's no different than replacing your 6K receiver with a 10K one, it's about capacities and having the correctly installed equip to do the job. IMO adding this "ADDITIONAL CARGO" will by definition have a small effect on the visible attitude of say the TV as it sets and that's as it should be since you are adding it with the WDH already adjusted for a previous loading scenario. I guess one could try and make up situations/numbers/scenarios to try and artifically reduce this effect, but the WHOLE POINT is the concept is still a VALID CONCERN and the position that it has NO EFFECT that was put forth by multiple folks in this thread alone is SIMPLY NOT CORRECT as I feel I have shown, demonstrated and given as clear examples of as I can think of.
IGNORE IT IF YOU WANT, just don't say it's fairy dust or it isn't a valid concept/potential concern for consideration. If it doesn't apply to you, you don't have to do it or even worry about it, but if it does it is and should be a valid consideration just as including that drawbar wt. (less than 100lbs in the majority of cases) in ones TV payload calculations that is universally recommended. One could use the same faulty logic and say it doesn't really matter whether you include the drawbar wt in any calculations since it's weight is minor and won't change anything much. It's either CORRECT or INCORRECT with little to no GREY AREAS concept wise.
I just thought of another case that I have seen on here and that is the folks that carry a pair of EU2000 generators right at the rear of their truck bed at times often in nifty enclosures to use when their trips are to locations where they might need this generator capacity. That example right there is another example of the type of "CARGO ADDED" that could easily be 100lbs or more and would constitute close to a 10 percent increase in WDH capacities for a unadjusted previous tongue wt of say 1000lbs. IMO one has to be careful since just like items loaded in a trailer, one item might not break the bank, but it's the multiple items that all of a sudden become important.
Larry
I think you've missed the whole point of all this and it's not about changing your WDH settings or changes in the vehicle attitude with respect to say wheel well clearances, it about properly sizing your WDH system to account for any temporary or transient cargo added aft of the rear axle AFTER YOU HAVE SETUP YOUR WDH SYSTEM. If you read and accept what CEQUENT recommends this cargo added aft of the TV axle is added to the trailer tongue weight w/o any adjustment so if your normal tongue wt is say 1000lbs and you add 200 then your new weight that should be used for WDH system sizing would be 1200lbs which is a 20 percent increase which IMO is not insignificant. Furthermore, it's not about how much this additional wt. might change the actual wheel well heights, it's about sizing your WDH system to effectively counter and redistribute the correct maximum wt. that it is subject to.It's no different than replacing your 6K receiver with a 10K one, it's about capacities and having the correctly installed equip to do the job. IMO adding this "ADDITIONAL CARGO" will by definition have a small effect on the visible attitude of say the TV as it sets and that's as it should be since you are adding it with the WDH already adjusted for a previous loading scenario. I guess one could try and make up situations/numbers/scenarios to try and artifically reduce this effect, but the WHOLE POINT is the concept is still a VALID CONCERN and the position that it has NO EFFECT that was put forth by multiple folks in this thread alone is SIMPLY NOT CORRECT as I feel I have shown, demonstrated and given as clear examples of as I can think of.
IGNORE IT IF YOU WANT, just don't say it's fairy dust or it isn't a valid concept/potential concern for consideration. If it doesn't apply to you, you don't have to do it or even worry about it, but if it does it is and should be a valid consideration just as including that drawbar wt. (less than 100lbs in the majority of cases) in ones TV payload calculations that is universally recommended. One could use the same faulty logic and say it doesn't really matter whether you include the drawbar wt in any calculations since it's weight is minor and won't change anything much. It's either CORRECT or INCORRECT with little to no GREY AREAS concept wise.
I just thought of another case that I have seen on here and that is the folks that carry a pair of EU2000 generators right at the rear of their truck bed at times often in nifty enclosures to use when their trips are to locations where they might need this generator capacity. That example right there is another example of the type of "CARGO ADDED" that could easily be 100lbs or more and would constitute close to a 10 percent increase in WDH capacities for a unadjusted previous tongue wt of say 1000lbs. IMO one has to be careful since just like items loaded in a trailer, one item might not break the bank, but it's the multiple items that all of a sudden become important.
Larry
