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Campin_LI
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Aug 05, 2013

Hitch - Weight Carrying Capacity

Was reading some other active posts in towing section and have a question on weight carrying capacity that does not seem to get addressed. I also want to expand my knowledge of course.

Is this capacity "performance" related? Meaning once you go over say 500 lbs (what most are) the front of the truck is up too high and you need a weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight and level it out.

When I say forward most, I mean closest to axle and when I say rear most, I mean closest to bumper.

Not taking into account any shear force on bolts because I only see that as being relative to the max tow rating.

When no WDH is used, it seems to me that say 1000 lbs on the hitch pushes down on the receiver and the rear most bolts on the receiver are in tension to support that weight and the forward most bolts do less and maybe nothing because the forward most part of the receiver pushes up against the frame, assuming there is some kind of rotational force due to the hitch connection (On edit, forward most bolts probably have some tension as well). Then when WDH is used, the rear most bolts are in tension from the hitch weight as above and the forward most part of the receiver is pulling away from the frame so the forward most bolts are now also in tension.

Seems to me like either the forward most bolts or forward most and rear most bolts get the tension depending on use of WDH, so what's the difference since they are the same kind of bolts.

With 1000 lb tongue weight, does the WDH actually cause more tension in the forward most bolts when engaged than there is on the rear most bolts without the WDH?

What am I missing or not taking into account?

Seems structurally there is no difference, so that would make the rating driven by performance based on the suspension.

10 Replies

  • "I disagree, the dynamics of towing are really not complicated at all, ............"

    One of us does not understand the meaning of dynamics. ( the mathematical analysis of the motion of bodies as a result of impressed forces) There are all kinds of things going on when towing. Think what happens when accelerating, decelerating, turning, hitting a bump in the road, encountering a side wind, or climbing a mountain. There are enough dynamics involved to write a book. Anyone who thinks they are "really not that complicated" either is a lot smarter than the rest of us, or does not understand the situation. I am NOT saying that one has to be a rocket scientist to set up a tow vehicle and trailer to tow properly. Even I can do that.
  • TomG2 wrote:
    Campin LI wrote:
    If your post was not meant to be sarcastic, I apologize and as stated above by Berky, if the bolt is not in tension, it is loose, so the bolt has an initial tension due to tightening. Then you add the load from the hitch and/or WDH.


    Oh, it was sarcastic alright. Not sure why all the confusion and concern about hitch bolts. I follow pretty closely and do not recall one case of hitch bolts being a big problem in the RV world. The dynamics involved in towing are way more complicated than can be explained in a paragraph or two.
    I disagree, the dynamics of towing are really not complicated at all, however setting up a hitch may be for some. Again, the thread is not about bolt failure. The tread is about forces acting on the receiver at the connection to the truck frame with or without WD engaged. The bolts happen to be the reference and they happen to be in tension, nobody but you mentions bolt failure.
  • Campin LI wrote:
    If your post was not meant to be sarcastic, I apologize and as stated above by Berky, if the bolt is not in tension, it is loose, so the bolt has an initial tension due to tightening. Then you add the load from the hitch and/or WDH.


    Oh, it was sarcastic alright. Not sure why all the confusion and concern about hitch bolts. I follow pretty closely and do not recall one case of hitch bolts being a big problem in the RV world. The dynamics involved in towing are way more complicated than can be explained in a paragraph or two.
  • Some times things can be over thought...especially if a technical background :)

    I generally do not like to have fasteners in shear. Prefer to have either a hardened
    shear tube or counter sink & boss or some other mechanism

    But...most OEMs has bolts in shear just about everywhere, so have accepted that

    As for the proper tightening, of course and lots of folks don't understand that
    a bolted union is to 'squeeze' the sandwich of parts together and hold them
    together doing it duties

    That it is the tension or 'rubber band stretched & pulling it back together'
    that is what threaded fasteners are all about

    I generally replace with Grade 8's whenever working on this type of thing, but
    also know that sequential failure is designed in for some assemblies. WD Hitches
    are not, that I can see

    For get about the fasteners for a moment and go to the logic diagram of how a
    WD Hitch system works. This thread by Ron Gratz is at the top of this forum's
    'Towing' section: Weight Distribution (WD) Hitch --- How it Works and is
    the best place to have this discussion
  • TomG2 wrote:
    What if they are 1/2" Grade 8 bolts torqued to 140 foot pounds? And why do we care?
    The point at which bolts fail was not the question I posted nor was it the basis for either reply above. However bolt tension comes into play as far as how tension is distributed on the bolts holding the receiver to the frame which was my question. If your post was not meant to be sarcastic, I apologize and as stated above by Berky, if the bolt is not in tension, it is loose, so the bolt has an initial tension due to tightening. Then you add the load from the hitch and/or WDH. This load adds more tension to these bolts. Then you have incidental and sometimes extreme loading from bouncing up the road adding more tension, but dampened by the suspension. If to much tension is added, the bolt breaks.
  • What if they are 1/2" Grade 8 bolts torqued to 140 foot pounds? And why do we care?
  • Thank you very much for the mathematical explanation.

    Ron Gratz wrote:

    If: a=24", b= 12", TW=1000#, and M = 60,000 lb-in, we have downward force at front = 2000# and upward force at rear = 1000#.
    Very interesting that there is more force pulling down at the front than there is pushing up at the rear (if I am understanding correctly) when using WDH. Again, I appreciate the explanation.
  • Campin LI wrote:
    When no WDH is used, it seems to me that say 1000 lbs on the hitch pushes down on the receiver and the rear most bolts on the receiver are in tension to support that weight and the forward most bolts do less and maybe nothing because the forward most part of the receiver pushes up against the frame, assuming there is some kind of rotational force due to the hitch connection (On edit, forward most bolts probably have some tension as well). Then when WDH is used, the rear most bolts are in tension from the hitch weight as above and the forward most part of the receiver is pulling away from the frame so the forward most bolts are now also in tension.
    The approximation equations for forces on the receiver rails are fairly simple.

    Let:
    a = longitudinal distance from centroid of front bolts to centroid of rear bolts
    b = longitudinal distance from centroid of rear bolts to ball
    TW = tongue weight
    M = counterclockwise moment (viewed from driver's side) exerted by WD bars on ball mount

    Then, the combined reaction on the front bolts equals (M-b*TW)/a

    and, the combined reaction on the rear bolts equals {(a+b)*TW-M}/a

    where a positive value of reaction means the receiver rail is pulling down away from the frame, and a negative value means the rail is pushing up against the frame.

    With no WD (M=0), the front of the receiver pushes against the frame with a force of TW*b/a. The rear of the receiver pulls down with a force of TW*(a+b)/a.

    If: a=24", b=12", TW=1000#, and M=0, we have upward force at front = 500# and downward force at rear = 1500#

    If: a=24", b= 12", TW=1000#, and M = 60,000 lb-in, we have downward force at front = 2000# and upward force at rear = 1000#.

    The actual load in a bolt would depend on number of bolts at front and rear and the preload in any given bolt.

    Ron
  • WC capacity stated by the TV manufacturer is "performance related". 500# on the ball might translate to something like 750# added to the rear axle and 250# lifted from the front axle. So TV axle loading, steering, and stability are affected.

    WC capacity stated by the hitch manufacturer is determined by the limiting strength of many components, not just attachment bolts. 500# on the ball puts bending moment on the ball mount and receiver. 5000# of trailer yanking on the ball puts bending moment on the ball threads.

    A properly bolted connection is always in tension. Loading up the hitch just adds or subtracts from that tension. If a bolted connection were not in tension then it would be "loose" and the nut would back off.