How do you avoid Bio Diesel (over B5) while on the road?

Are you sure about that? Oregon used to give a 5 cent/gal tax credit for B99 or B50 a few years ago. I don't remember anything about not paying the normal fuel taxes.

Now that I've moved to North Dakota, there are very few places that offer biodiesel. One place in Jamestown lets you select B99, B50 or B5.

ktmrfs wrote:


I wish I could find a freddy around our area that was B-20, since B-20 is exempt from Oregon road tax plus freddylow price would make diesel REAL cheap around here. Up and down I-5 I've only seen B-5 at freddys

down home wrote:

Stefonius wrote:

down home wrote:
It is all politics of money and no use in getting upset about all this again.
Just that everyone here, with a little fire, left in them, needs to run for office and displace all the yahoos, in Government, doing this to us.

I wonder if folks felt the same way when tetraethyl lead was forcibly removed from gasoline by the government. The lead caused massive environmental and health problems, but it also kept valve guides from wearing out. Millions of engines suffered premature wear without lead. Modern engines don't need it anymore.

We're way better off now, but I imagine a lot of folks were upset about the "government interference" at the time.

Apples and oranges.
Biodiesel is a child of Agra Businessmen under the green washing that raising fuel will save the planet, but all it does is fatten their wallets and we support it with taxes in subsidy and in higher prices at the pump. Exactly the same with ethanol where the Industry/Corn Growers spend millions telling us how gret it is and stuffing the bank accounts with subsidies and money from Consumers forced to buy it.
It is crooked and corrupt and immoral and we have some defend it.
Using the Law to mandate pofits

Growing biodiesel uses more diesel fuel than it creates. It sure makes my old 7.3 run smooth and quiet, though.

Stefonius wrote:

down home wrote:
It is all politics of money and no use in getting upset about all this again.
Just that everyone here, with a little fire, left in them, needs to run for office and displace all the yahoos, in Government, doing this to us.

I wonder if folks felt the same way when tetraethyl lead was forcibly removed from gasoline by the government. The lead caused massive environmental and health problems, but it also kept valve guides from wearing out. Millions of engines suffered premature wear without lead. Modern engines don't need it anymore.

We're way better off now, but I imagine a lot of folks were upset about the "government interference" at the time.

Apples and oranges.
Biodiesel is a child of Agra Businessmen under the green washing that raising fuel will save the planet, but all it does is fatten their wallets and we support it with taxes in subsidy and in higher prices at the pump. Exactly the same with ethanol where the Industry/Corn Growers spend millions telling us how gret it is and stuffing the bank accounts with subsidies and money from Consumers forced to buy it.
It is crooked and corrupt and immoral and we have some defend it.
Using the Law to mandate pofits

down home wrote:
It is all politics of money and no use in getting upset about all this again.
Just that everyone here, with a little fire, left in them, needs to run for office and displace all the yahoos, in Government, doing this to us.

I wonder if folks felt the same way when tetraethyl lead was forcibly removed from gasoline by the government. The lead caused massive environmental and health problems, but it also kept valve guides from wearing out. Millions of engines suffered premature wear without lead. Modern engines don't need it anymore.

We're way better off now, but I imagine a lot of folks were upset about the "government interference" at the time.

Biodiesel does not like rubber. B20 won't affect your hoes and o rings lift pumps etc as fast as straight biodiesel and B5 will take a lot longer but it will affect thme eventually. BioDiesel is essentially soybean oil or corn oil, **** seed oil with the glycerin washed out.
Older engines pre 07 like our Cat it is pure murder on the rubber.
Newer engines after 07 the rubber components ar not as succeptible.
I'm not read up on what the new compounds and how much lnger they resist Biodiesel.
Biodiesel has a much higher lubricity than the green ultra low sulfur diesel we have to use, unless your run farm equipment.
I don't want but a few gallons of B5 in the tank B20 is a no no.
Cat quoted me something over 16,000.00, I think, to replace crank seals, lift pump seals, and hoses and o rings and so on.
I fill up before I cross state lines where they force you use Biodiesel.
In parts of Arizona it was all we could find in many locations.
It is all politics of money and no use in getting upset about all this again.
Just that everyone here, with a little fire, left in them, needs to run for office and displace all the yahoos, in Government, doing this to us.

The owners manual for my 2013 GMC 2500HD with the Duramax allows for up to B20. I've traveled about 12k miles in the last 5 years, mostly from Kansas to Mesa, AZ and I've never paid much attention to the bio level in any diesel I have purchased until my last trip this past March. The pump said it was Bio-diesel B5. It made go hmmmmm, but when I checked the owners manual it made me go...ok, no big deal!

In over 12 years and traveling from Indiana to both coast and into Canada once I have never paid attention the the amount of Bio in the fuel. To date and with almost 200k miles on my truck of both local and traveling miles I have not had a fuel problem. I just fillup and go.

Yea the older trucks like mine are no more than B5. I don't know if they have to post if it has bio or not but around here I haven't seen any

WILDEBILL308 wrote:
I am finding it in more places as Government Mandates kick in. The biggest problem is if you haven't ben using it, it brakes loose all the gunk in your tank and will tend to clog filters till it cleans your system.
The hiest level I have run into was in Missoula Montana. I stopped because it was $3.65 on the signboard (cheap at the time) but when I got to the pump they had 4 types of diesel on the pump. 50/50 bio, red, #1 and regular #2. The #2 was $4.55. I only bought 50 gal of the #2 just so I could get down the road. I didn't want to try the 50/50 on the road. Besides Cummins does not recommend over 20%.
Bill

IN FACT: Cummins reccomends only 5% Bio Fuel per ASTM D975 as it clearly states in my 2016 owners manual.

20% is only OK on those trucks equipped with the OPTIONAL B20 capability package and requires shortened maintenance schedules.

We towed to Texas before arriving for our winters stay in Casa Grande. Pilot had B-5 but didn't notice at first so I only bought 15 gallons. Later at a FJ it was as the above post up to B-20. I filled this time because of the need. I paid attention to how the engine was running because of being a little scared.

I felt later it was purring like a kitten and felt better. Our 05 duramax was not made to run bio fuel.

chevman