K & N filters

AO_hitech wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

This is what is happening to the inside of your engine. Any more questions? :B

Yup, just proof that damage occurs. The problem with your analogy is that if isn't happening at a few thousand degrees (or whatever the combustion temps.are). And, norhing in my engine is glass, and it has oil to suspend the dirt particles, a filter to remove those particles, etc.

Ok, I'll try one more time to explain friction, scoring and what high silicon rates can do to the inside of an engine.

Here is a little reading for you that explains it. This is from an engineering point of view. It's easy reading and this article explains it very well.

As far as not having glass n your engine. Very true. Everything is much softer and will wear much faster than glass. You made my point very well.

If you still don't believe me or the links provided please feel free to do experimenting on your own engine. I suggest driving on a dusty fine sandy road or a dusty volcanic road. This should make you a believer in a day or two. :B

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

This is what is happening to the inside of your engine. Any more questions? :B

Yup, just proof that damage occurs. The problem with your analogy is that if isn't happening at a few thousand degrees (or whatever the combustion temps.are). And, norhing in my engine is glass, and it has oil to suspend the dirt particles, a filter to remove those particles, etc.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

AO_hitech wrote:
One thing I haven't't seen, is any proof that allowing more "dirt" past the air filter causes any wear or damage to the engine. It may seem like something that must cause problems, but without proof that it does all the tests showing the amount of dirt allowed through mean nothing.

More air flow does equate to more power produced, generally speaking. I have plenty of personal evidence for that. I know that to be true.

All that said, I have never purchased a K&N air filter.

Do this. Take your best binoculars (the more expensive the better the lesson will be :B) and put a small amount of dirt on top of the lens.

Now take a quarter and lay it on top of the dirt and make small circular motions with the quarter for a few minutes. Now clean all the dirt off of the lens and take a look through it.

This is what is happening to the inside of your engine. Any more questions? :B

Great analogy!!!!!

Cale

AO_hitech wrote:
One thing I haven't't seen, is any proof that allowing more "dirt" past the air filter causes any wear or damage to the engine. It may seem like something that must cause problems, but without proof that it does all the tests showing the amount of dirt allowed through mean nothing.

More air flow does equate to more power produced, generally speaking. I have plenty of personal evidence for that. I know that to be true.

All that said, I have never purchased a K&N air filter.

Do this. Take your best binoculars (the more expensive the better the lesson will be :B) and put a small amount of dirt on top of the lens.

Now take a quarter and lay it on top of the dirt and make small circular motions with the quarter for a few minutes. Now clean all the dirt off of the lens and take a look through it.

This is what is happening to the inside of your engine. Any more questions? :B

Interesting thread.

Personally imho I don't believe the K&N filters offer ANY benefit, both in fuel savings or horsepower gains.

Here is my opinion,

The auto manufactures spend billions in research and development to squeeze every ounce of HP or fuel mileage gain out of their engines. But someone goes to a store and buys a $50 filter and it magically increases HP and provided noticeable fuel savings. If only these R&D departments/manufactures did the same!! hmmm wonder why they don't?

Second, you don't get more airflow simply by allowing your vehicle take in "deeper breathes" you still need to "exhale". putting a K&N without upgrading the exhaust, exhaust manifold, tuning the computer, changing the cam etc etc etc you are not doing anything but wasting $50

The K&N filters will work just fine...IF...you also attach magnets to your fuel line. The science is correct, don't doubt me!

AO_hitech wrote:
One thing I haven't't seen, is any proof that allowing more "dirt" past the air filter causes any wear or damage to the engine. It may seem like something that must cause problems, but without proof that it does all the tests showing the amount of dirt allowed through mean nothing.

More air flow does equate to more power produced, generally speaking. I have plenty of personal evidence for that. I know that to be true.

All that said, I have never purchased a K&N air filter.

The problem with dirt, or very fine particulate matter, is the gumming up in the intake....my LLY has a thin film of oil from the PCV system, that would be one gummy mess. Also, the dirt going through the turbine blades is not good at all. I know first hand from flying in the Middle East, it is bad for the turbine blades!!

Cale

larry barnhart wrote:
If a fella wants a K&N air filter why not be silence and let him learn what we know. It will be a great way to learn.
chevman

Hi Larry!

This thread was started by someone wanting to know if he should buy à K&N filter. After reading some posts he declared that he would not buy it. Which was a wise decision.

However that brought out those that question real science, claiming they can not see the unseen damage that does occur!

We can not save everyone!

Chris

One thing I haven't't seen, is any proof that allowing more "dirt" past the air filter causes any wear or damage to the engine. It may seem like something that must cause problems, but without proof that it does all the tests showing the amount of dirt allowed through mean nothing.

More air flow does equate to more power produced, generally speaking. I have plenty of personal evidence for that. I know that to be true.

All that said, I have never purchased a K&N air filter.

If a fella wants a K&N air filter why not be silence and let him learn what we know. It will be a great way to learn.
chevman