Lordstown/Camping world to make Electric EV's and class E MH

Reisender wrote:
Meh. It’s already happening here. Some of the latest stations here are parallel pull up affairs. Probably good for a truck pulling a 25 to 28 foot trailer. Restaurants and public bathrooms within a 100 meters. Mind you , I noticed these were only 100 kw chargers so if your truck has a big battery and you are on the low side you better have a long er lunch planned. It’ll all evolve as the requirement is there. Businesses like to make money.

I’ve noticed the newer Superchargers taking this into account as well.

Nothing happens overnight. Neither will the transition to EV’s.

pianotuna wrote:
There are 3 locations within 200 feet of my Condo that would have plenty of room for an RV. BTW I was talking of motorized RV's (A, B, and C).

In my small city there are already nearly 100 charging locations. At last count 83 of them were "no cost" locations.

The Transcanada highway has charge points within 100 miles along its entire length.

Yawn! Wake me when Onawa, Iowa has them.

Bobbo wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
As charging stations proliferate I can see myself stopping for lunch for 30 minutes. If the spot has a super charger, about 80% of the full range may be replaced during that time frame.

Where are you stopping for lunch that you can charge? Are you finding a campground and renting a 50 amp spot for that 30 minutes? Currently, charging spots are pull in affairs where a trailer would have to be unhooked to get in. Currently, charging spots are sized for cars so a motorhome wouldn't fit in. What about if the charging spots are all full with a line waiting to charge, and each car ahead of you takes 30 minutes? Maybe 15 or 20 years down the line we will have the infrastructure to make this possible, not easy, just possible, but I don't see it being practical before that.

There are 3 locations within 200 feet of my Condo that would have plenty of room for an RV. BTW I was talking of motorized RV's (A, B, and C).

In my small city there are already nearly 100 charging locations. At last count 83 of them were "no cost" locations.

The Transcanada highway has charge points within 100 miles along its entire length.

Bobbo wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
As charging stations proliferate I can see myself stopping for lunch for 30 minutes. If the spot has a super charger, about 80% of the full range may be replaced during that time frame.

Where are you stopping for lunch that you can charge? Are you finding a campground and renting a 50 amp spot for that 30 minutes? Currently, charging spots are pull in affairs where a trailer would have to be unhooked to get in. Currently, charging spots are sized for cars so a motorhome wouldn't fit in. What about if the charging spots are all full with a line waiting to charge, and each car ahead of you takes 30 minutes? Maybe 15 or 20 years down the line we will have the infrastructure to make this possible, not easy, just possible, but I don't see it being practical before that.

Meh. It’s already happening here. Some of the latest stations here are parallel pull up affairs. Probably good for a truck pulling a 25 to 28 foot trailer. Restaurants and public bathrooms within a 100 meters. Mind you , I noticed these were only 100 kw chargers so if your truck has a big battery and you are on the low side you better have a long er lunch planned. It’ll all evolve as the requirement is there. Businesses like to make money.

I’ve noticed the newer Superchargers taking this into account as well.

Nothing happens overnight. Neither will the transition to EV’s.

pianotuna wrote:
As charging stations proliferate I can see myself stopping for lunch for 30 minutes. If the spot has a super charger, about 80% of the full range may be replaced during that time frame.

Where are you stopping for lunch that you can charge? Are you finding a campground and renting a 50 amp spot for that 30 minutes? Currently, charging spots are pull in affairs where a trailer would have to be unhooked to get in. Currently, charging spots are sized for cars so a motorhome wouldn't fit in. What about if the charging spots are all full with a line waiting to charge, and each car ahead of you takes 30 minutes? Maybe 15 or 20 years down the line we will have the infrastructure to make this possible, not easy, just possible, but I don't see it being practical before that.

time2roll wrote:
Will not be hard to have an RV Park charging mode that limits power if needed. However unless half the park turns over in the same day with 100% EV MHs I can't imagine there will be an issue. People forget the draw stops when vehicle is charged.

Low voltage on a hot afternoon? EV MH could easily stop charging or drawing ANY power until the issue is resolved after midnight and still get plenty of power to make a continental breakfast. This will enable an EV to actually reduce the issue for all the old MHs that have to draw max power continuous to run the two A/C units during the hot afternoon.

My experience is people use as much power as they can get out of the pedestal.

Unless the owner is going to redo the electrical system and upgrade it, there won't be automated systems to cut or scale back power available at a site.

Since many RV parks already have issues on hot days (not just afternoons), adding substantial additional power draws...even at modest 5-10% of rig levels...will cause substantial additional problems.

Let's say 48 kwh per 100 miles of range. (cars do 24 kwh per 100)

A 50amp service allows 12,000 watts.

So that's about 4 hours. If we scale that back to 80% of capacity--it is 5 hours.

How long does the average RV'er (if there is such a beastie) stay at a campsite?

Personally I try not to travel more than 300 miles per day. Virtually the only times I do so are when I'm being "chased" by a snow storm.

As charging stations proliferate I can see myself stopping for lunch for 30 minutes. If the spot has a super charger, about 80% of the full range may be replaced during that time frame.

I can see that campgrounds may wish to equip sites with electrical meters. Perhaps even ones that are credit card operated.

I firmly believe that with more than 5 firms offering semitrailer electric "tractors" that a decent EV RV will soon be on offer.

valhalla360 wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Camp grounds will come on board. Those who don’t will just fade away. Just like hotels adapting to new client expectations. Exercise rooms, continental breakfast, wifi, Pretty much every new hotel has destination chargers where we are. And they get used. Many start with just one and add as demand requires. I suspect campgrounds will do the same.

Brand new parks...probably but even there, you will see a lot of failures. The electrical code allows for under sizing based on the assumption not everyone will be maxing out their pedestal so upstream they are allowed to provide significantly less amperage capability at the main panel. I'm betting most owners don't have the understanding and will want to save money by putting in a smaller power feed that meets code. It may take a lot of failures before the code gets updated to account for this.

How many brand new parks are developed each year relative to the current parks? Our experience is not many new parks getting built or fully refurbished.

Hotels...have you ate one of the continental breakfasts? If that's the quality we can expect for these new campground electrical systems, it won't be pretty.

Will not be hard to have an RV Park charging mode that limits power if needed. However unless half the park turns over in the same day with 100% EV MHs I can't imagine there will be an issue. People forget the draw stops when vehicle is charged.

Low voltage on a hot afternoon? EV MH could easily stop charging or drawing ANY power until the issue is resolved after midnight and still get plenty of power to make a continental breakfast. This will enable an EV to actually reduce the issue for all the old MHs that have to draw max power continuous to run the two A/C units during the hot afternoon.

How many brand new parks are developed each year relative to the current parks? Our experience is not many new parks getting built or fully refurbished.

I've seen what is supposed to be a RVIA prediction of 55000 new sites, not parks, next year. Now at 150 sites per new park that works out to 370 new parks or 8 per state if they are evenly distributed. Which they won't be.

I'm also seeing lots of reports of local NIMBY resistance to new parks, it is happening right in this area. Some people want to build a 370 site park and the locals are up in arms. The locals are complaining about added traffic and they seem to think that RV parks are filled with long term resident trash. Mobile park style.

RV Park owners, unless they have taken leave of their senses, will wait until there is a critical mass of electrified RV's before paying to upgrade parks. And I don't think 2% eRV will motivate many park owners.

I can see, IF these eRV's are built in numbers, RV parks adding 10 or 20 premium sites with power chargers for them. Don't forget these eRV will be even more expensive than they are now. I doubt that the government will be hiding the cost of these EV with giant subsidies

valhalla360 wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Camp grounds will come on board. Those who don’t will just fade away. Just like hotels adapting to new client expectations. Exercise rooms, continental breakfast, wifi, Pretty much every new hotel has destination chargers where we are. And they get used. Many start with just one and add as demand requires. I suspect campgrounds will do the same.

Brand new parks...probably but even there, you will see a lot of failures. The electrical code allows for under sizing based on the assumption not everyone will be maxing out their pedestal so upstream they are allowed to provide significantly less amperage capability at the main panel. I'm betting most owners don't have the understanding and will want to save money by putting in a smaller power feed that meets code. It may take a lot of failures before the code gets updated to account for this.

How many brand new parks are developed each year relative to the current parks? Our experience is not many new parks getting built or fully refurbished.

Hotels...have you ate one of the continental breakfasts? If that's the quality we can expect for these new campground electrical systems, it won't be pretty.

Location location location I suppose. We find the continental breakfasts healthier in Europe but that has more to do with preference. Better and more convenient than a sit down restaurant for us.

It will take years for the camp ground adaptation to happen. I have no doubt there will be winners and losers. Then again, depending on your charging needs they are already fairly well prepared. Or at least the ones with 50 amp service. Maybe not for a campground full of EV’s. But that won’t happen for decades.

Reisender wrote:
Camp grounds will come on board. Those who don’t will just fade away. Just like hotels adapting to new client expectations. Exercise rooms, continental breakfast, wifi, Pretty much every new hotel has destination chargers where we are. And they get used. Many start with just one and add as demand requires. I suspect campgrounds will do the same.

Brand new parks...probably but even there, you will see a lot of failures. The electrical code allows for under sizing based on the assumption not everyone will be maxing out their pedestal so upstream they are allowed to provide significantly less amperage capability at the main panel. I'm betting most owners don't have the understanding and will want to save money by putting in a smaller power feed that meets code. It may take a lot of failures before the code gets updated to account for this.

How many brand new parks are developed each year relative to the current parks? Our experience is not many new parks getting built or fully refurbished.

Hotels...have you ate one of the continental breakfasts? If that's the quality we can expect for these new campground electrical systems, it won't be pretty.