Lordstown/Camping world to make Electric EV's and class E MH

Grit dog wrote:
Where’s Yosemite Sam when you need him? He’s good at promoting this!
Here’s the deal, thus far with EVs.
For some, getting a EV is a status symbol or makes them think they are morally superior. (Most Tesla owners, because it doesn’t make any financial sense yet)
For others, it’s the perceived cost savings (most other little econo car EVs). Could be an overall cost savings there, idk. I ran the numbers on about the cheapest used Tesla I could find compared to a “similar” used ice car/suv and it’s still way cheaper to get a ice car. By a long shot. I was considering a Tesla, briefly, for the wife’s commuter vehicle.

So, the industry will advance, as it always does, and the overarching factors of economics will ultimately determine how fast or how quickly. And then the public will adapt to the changes whether they be considered better or worse.
Given the vast reaches of the oil industry and the things that it powers and the most of the time, slow to upgrade infrastructure in general, I believe that there will still be a blend of Ice’s and EVs for many years to come.

As far as campgrounds building up their infrastructure for mass electric RV charging, that I think will follow a much greater % of small passenger EVs and not happen anytime soon. Unless there’s some major FDR things that happen.
(As long as it’s not something backed by AOC, it might actually be beneficial, lol...)

There’s an even bigger chicken/egg issue that needs to be solved before RVs even get to sniff electric power.

Hmm. IMHO many people who buy Tesla’s are not buying them as an alternate to a Honda Accord, they are buying them to replace BMW’s, Mercedes, Audi’s etc. Tesla’s are high performance premium vehicles with lots of cool tech not found on other vehicles. They are roughly the same price as their competition. If you were looking at a commuter car you were probably looking at the 38000 ish model 3 SR plus. So yep, if performance and tech is not your thing there are lots of cheaper ice alternatives.

Cheers.

Heavy trucks will eventually run on hydrogen. Hydrogen refuels like gas or diesel in a short amount of time. And the energy density of hydrogen per unit weight is many times that of lithium batteries.

Very unlikely. Hydrogen is hard to store, it is very low density and you just cannot get much in a tank. There have been efforts to find some material which will store it at higher densities but if they have succeeded in producing a practical material I haven't heard about it. \

Hydrogen is also very difficult to ship because it will go right thru normal steel and as mentioned it is low density. There so far is no cheap way to produce Hydrogen either.

This is just greenie pie in the sky information

Heavy trucks will eventually run on hydrogen. Hydrogen refuels like gas or diesel in a short amount of time. And the energy density of hydrogen per unit weight is many times that of lithium batteries.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/energy-department-looks-to-boost-hydrogen-fuel-for-big-trucks/

Where’s Yosemite Sam when you need him? He’s good at promoting this!
Here’s the deal, thus far with EVs.
For some, getting a EV is a status symbol or makes them think they are morally superior. (Most Tesla owners, because it doesn’t make any financial sense yet)
For others, it’s the perceived cost savings (most other little econo car EVs). Could be an overall cost savings there, idk. I ran the numbers on about the cheapest used Tesla I could find compared to a “similar” used ice car/suv and it’s still way cheaper to get a ice car. By a long shot. I was considering a Tesla, briefly, for the wife’s commuter vehicle.

So, the industry will advance, as it always does, and the overarching factors of economics will ultimately determine how fast or how quickly. And then the public will adapt to the changes whether they be considered better or worse.
Given the vast reaches of the oil industry and the things that it powers and the most of the time, slow to upgrade infrastructure in general, I believe that there will still be a blend of Ice’s and EVs for many years to come.

As far as campgrounds building up their infrastructure for mass electric RV charging, that I think will follow a much greater % of small passenger EVs and not happen anytime soon. Unless there’s some major FDR things that happen.
(As long as it’s not something backed by AOC, it might actually be beneficial, lol...)

There’s an even bigger chicken/egg issue that needs to be solved before RVs even get to sniff electric power.

time2roll wrote:

agesilaus wrote:
Well here in North Central Florida I saw my first Tesla yesterday and it belonged to some business.

Here in So Cal it would seem Tesla is close to 5% market share. Tesla are everywhere everyday everyplace. Still don't really see the superchargers as you need to seek them out.

1.2 percent
Electric vehicles or EVs currently account for just 1.2 percent of the 27.7 million registered passenger vehicles in the state, according to the California Department of Motor Vehicles

Not sure what the date on that is, as I noted above another source claims 2%. But that is for the entire state not just SoCal

agesilaus wrote:
Well here in North Central Florida I saw my first Tesla yesterday and it belonged to some business.

Here in So Cal it would seem Tesla is close to 5% market share. Tesla are everywhere everyday everyplace. Still don't really see the superchargers as you need to seek them out.

Here is a vehicle that is being used as a camper--and powered by solar no less!

https://youtu.be/VMeqMmERtL0

free radical wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Range is 230 to 250 miles.

Thats asuming it will ever get built,
Takes milions of $$ and enough bateries to get factory going.
Drawing pictures and makin promises is easy.

And whats with such goofy square box?
looks like it was designed by five year old nerd that has no clue about aerodynamics

More rounded cars get better mpg aka range,

Such as
https://youtu.be/dUoxszVLILg

I tend to agree. I don’t know much about this kinda stuff but I would think spending some money on aerodynamics would lower the cost considerably as they could use a smaller battery and get longer range. Not sure how factual it is but the Ford Mach E has a 10 percent bigger battery than a model 3 AWD, but the model 3 has a 15 percent longer range.

Still. Interesting stuff.

pianotuna wrote:
Range is 230 to 250 miles.

Thats asuming it will ever get built,
Takes milions of $$ and enough bateries to get factory going.
Drawing pictures and makin promises is easy.

And whats with such goofy square box?
looks like it was designed by five year old nerd that has no clue about aerodynamics

More rounded cars get better mpg aka range,

Such as
https://youtu.be/dUoxszVLILg

Range is 230 to 250 miles.