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JBarca
Nomad II
Jan 13, 2012

New Andersen WD hitch

A fellow camper bud showed me this. It's new and different.

Anyone using one?

Andersen WD hitches

A U-tube video with the factory guy explaining it. You have to get past MR Truck doing his intro. Interesting 5th wheel hitch too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvM7mCnqmwo&feature=related

It looks like this



I'll hold my comments for a short while to not cloud your thoughts. Ideally we can find someone here using one to quiz them on it.

John

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  • Don't get me wrong, as am a designer by training and in the heart. Love contraptions
    of any kind...but...also by training look at how things fail in order to make
    my designs 'good' to 'better'. Also lots of forensics from my own designs and
    work fixing others design. Taught that Mr Murphy lives everywhere and to design
    for the idiot and gorilla...as if it can go wrong, it will...

    I've had some PE/ME's get into a Rube Goldberg situation trying to
    design something marketing told them to. Easy to get myopic and
    lose sight of the big picture and get caught up in a rat hole.

    Les, the spring/bushings pull back on the plate below the hitch head ball and
    that then pushes the tongue forward against the ball.

    The contact point is inside the coupler at the pawl is my guess. Unless they
    have a special coupler.

    This is the leverage arm, I'd guess about 4 inches vs the Trunnion/Round bars
    lever arm of 18"-20" times 2. That is a whole lot of PSI on that coupler pawl.
    {edit}...okay, take this one back...the Trunnion/Round Bars do end
    up in an area of about 4", so this is the same or no difference.

    That is where I see a weakness, as am wondering if the coupler pawl is designed
    for that kind of service.

    Thinks like the surface area factored by the co-efficient of friction factored
    by the moments (lever arm) telling to me that the amount of clamping force must
    be huge. Plus the 'normal' recommended torque for any large ball (dia in the
    2 5/16 range requires 500 ft/lbs of torque. Oh on that, the moment
    on that friction material is the distance from the ball center line
    to the trailer wheels

    Then will the nut holding that ball shank back off with that kind of 'allowed'
    rotation? As they allow the ball to turn along with the coupler (assumption)
    and does the nut too? Then how do they manage the bearing and the loads on that
    ball against whatever boss it rides on? Does it then need grease? If so, then
    how do they manage from getting grease on/in the friction material mating surface?
    It is right there

    Allowing the ball to rotate along with the coupler and also having
    to maintain something in the 500 ft/lb range requires a nifty bearing
    setup. To allow the ball shank/nut to freely rotate and NOT back off
    the nut, but to also maintain enough PSI on the friction material
    to do it's job against that very, very long lever arm

    Since friction material, assume it is the typical stuff I'm familiar with. I'd
    wonder how well it does with the 'normal' banging all balls see during towing.
    If it compresses does it go plastic or remains elastic? Will then wobble out ?
  • I'll take the other side here guys... Rather innovative I think and a novel design... Admittedly, it's just another friction control device but rather well though out...

    I suppose the brake material will wear some but that has yet to be determined how fast it will wear and how much replacement is...

    My question is: how does one arrive at the same w/d pressures by just tightening the nuts on the end of the neoprene cushions... I would assume that in the instruction there is a guide to tell you how many turns equals X amount of pressure... IMO, if the hitch has any disadvantages, it is the tightening and untightening of the chains for weight distribution...

    We're all always resistant to change, human nature being what it is, but I like the design of this hitch... If it works well, it jusy may become the defacto standard of those who tow with hitches like the dual cam amd Equal-i-zer... If it doesn't work well, it will fail and go by the wayside...

    It's a rather neat design and I look forward to the first actual usage report by one of our members...

    How about John, you gonna spring for one of these :W

    Les
  • Ben brought up the same things I was thinking about. My opinion is: I don't like the design at all. I don't see where it's any better than spring bars and I can see where it's worse in many ways.
  • First blush is that the brake friction material in the ball/hitch head is
    going to be both a maintenance issue and just like friction anti-sway bars. Getting
    them wet, oil, wearing out the friction material, etc problems.

    The way they do the WD is placing a new force on the coupler and wonder if the
    coupler is designed for that kind of loading. Especially the pawl that holds
    the coupler to the ball, as that is where the forces gets localized

    Traditional cam'ed spring bars (round and trunnion) both hold back the amount
    of off angle the trailer can move and increases the amount of spring bar tension
    This has none of that and mainly works on the friction between the tappered ball
    mount to the complimentary cavity in the hitch head.

    As that 1/4" of friction material wears...does the ball shank then need to be
    tightened?

    What happens to the union of that tappered ball shank and cavity on a
    whoopee-do when the tongues goes negative weight ? Is the nut holding
    in the tappered ball shank have a spring to account for that situation?

    That kind of force for each 'compliant' bushing has it held onto the tongue with
    a clamping mechanism. Will it slip? How's about when it gets wet? Or oil gets
    on there? That plate at the hitch head end also rotates in tandem with the
    tongue...I'd think they would want it fixed to increase pressure on that
    compliant bushing to prevent the tongue from swaying

    Since the coupler is forced into the ball (that wear and whether the coupler
    is designed for that kind of load) will it bang when the trailer brakes are
    initiated to pull it the other way? What will that increased force do to the
    compliant bushing over time? Will then bang back onto the coupler pawl when
    the brakes are let go and throttle given?

    Just some first glance thoughts...

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