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ChooChooMan74's avatar
Mar 28, 2014

Posts about weight got me thinking (RANT of sorts)

The title says it all. I hear so many people saying "you will be over", "you need a truck with a V8", "You can't tow with that size vehicle". This is especially true to a newbie, trying to get into RVing, and doesn't have the resources for a big truck to tow a big trailer. They may have a smaller SUV and looking to get a small trailer. Everyone is saying "They can't do it". That was even said to me. All that my baby diesel can pull is a small popup. As you can tell, I downsized 2' from what I wanted and about 1000 pounds.

So, all of that got me thinking, when I was towing the Busch North Car with my Dually, what was my weight. Should I criticize anyone about weight (unless they are talking real stupid about what they want to tow and tow with).

First off, my tow vehicle at the time was a 91 F350, 4x2 dually with a 7.3l international engine and a Gale Banks turbo setup, an E4OD transmission, and 4:10 gears. Advertised tow rating was 10,900, and the rig was 10,000 GVW.

Race car trailer. I believe it was a Featherlite, and it was about 42 feet in length. It had a gas tank and an onan generator. Went looking, and a similar size trailer today weighs in around 7200 pounds without any options. so, lets call it 7500 pounds. Lets do simple math and guestamates.

Trailer 7500
Race Car 3200
Pit Box 2000
Tires and Rims 400
Spare Parts 2000
Other******1000

Grand estimate
16,100 pounds...what would that put me? About 5200lbs over?

Of course, we weren't the only ones towing this way. Not many Busch North teams had big rigs back then. My only casualty was the E4OD transmission. To this day, that transmission made me hate Fords.

So, what do you think about the guy who is 100 pounds or so over GVW or "tow rating"?? This guys says, go ahead, live your life, enjoy your camper, and be safe. You only live once, enjoy it while you can.

By the way, the local short tracks, those tow rigs were real scary! For a while, I didn't even know trailer brakes existed, because no one I knew had one! Never even heard of a weight distribution hitch!

49 Replies

  • I went off on a tangent on this, but what I am trying to get at is not everyone can affored a big booty truck to tow a camper. People want to be able to enjoy the outdoors and camp. Aometimes I feel that some people try to make RVing a lifestyle for the people who only have deep pockets. I got what I could currently afford. I wanted to do this because my GFs daughter is growing older everyday and I don't want her to miss out on this.

    Sometimes, I think we are too harsh to newbies. I have seen newbies on forums ask a question, get ridiculed and put down, and never come back.

    The******I got on my first post, I took some of it and that was part of my decision to downsize. I didn't let the negativity get to me. We railroaders have thick skin. (By the way, you cant say cap with an r in it without getting sensored?)
  • When I respond to a post of this type, I assume the person is looking for an honest opinion. My first camper was a popup. I hooked it to my 85 F150 with the steel bumper and after a few trips noticed the bumper was starting to bend. It was an easy fix, just added a receiver hitch, but I learned the hard way. Wish there had been a forum then. If you want to pull your 12000# FW with a Mini Cooper, fine, go for it, but I still wouldn't advise it. Want to pull your kayak with a Mack truck, fine, but neither would that be my first recommendation. Even though we may advise more truck than necessary, comfort of towing, life of vehicle also play a part in a good towing experience. All anyone offers is an opinion, no one has to follow it, and most have absolutely no market value, just people offering advise based on experience, and it's up to the OP to sort it all out. Hopefully he got some tid bit of info that helped in his decision. That and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee.
  • OP gvwr is the amount of weight you can have total on both axles of the truck. What was the gcwr of the truck and what did the truck weigh? I bet the truck weighed 7500lbs leaving you over 2500 lbs payload and with, for example a 21k gcwr, the ability to tow 13500 lbs. So you were about 2500 lbs over.
  • Last year I was negotiating for a toy hauler (not the one I bought) to be towed by my previous 2500HD. Camping World knew I would be over weight and had me sign a form indicating that I knew it. We held out on a TH until we got a dually.
  • You know, you have a good point. And like you I tend to side with the OP if possible and he/she can keep the "rig" legal (meaning axle and tire ratings, period. Don't give a******about GVWR, Payload, nor GCWR). However, in the case of the earlier OP, that we both responded too, there was no way to keep that combination legal much less safe

    The problem isn't the OP (especially Newbies) nor this forum's members generally but a salesman somewhere got a newbie or uneducated individual into a bad situation that can't be corrected. The salesman that sold that trailer to the earlier OP should be put in jail for that little stunt

    As to your example from previous years. You weren't that bad. Those trucks could deal with that until the transmissions failed, as you found out. This was also the time frame before truck manufactures started raising published tow ratings without actually doing anything significant to the trucks suspensions. The numbers back then were a lot more realistic. How do you think we got into this situation where it is practically impossible to pull a TT/FW at the manufactures tow rating because in reality it overloads the truck
  • Being overweight doesn't mean you will encounter a tragic, catastrophic failure, it means that you have increased the risk of having one. The tricky part is you cannot calculate what that risk is easily. Without a doubt it will have an impact on the vehicle of some type in safety performance, maintenance cost and service life.
  • I'm towing with a 4 door freightliner, my trailer is 41 feet long and 14,400 pounds empty, been waiting for the nay sayers to tell me my truck wont haul that trailer or I might be over my trucks limits, and there are plenty of them on this board, I'm sure I will get flamed for this post


    No, you're good to go. You've got a diesel and a dually, the bare minimum for anything bigger than a pop-up ;)
  • I'm towing with a 4 door freightliner, my trailer is 41 feet long and 14,400 pounds empty, been waiting for the nay sayers to tell me my truck wont haul that trailer or I might be over my trucks limits, and there are plenty of them on this board, I'm sure I will get flamed for this post