BenK wrote:
NC Hauler wrote:
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Other than someone hauling these units for a lving,from the manufacturer to the dealer, Then, then empty or dry weight is a joke....No person who has purchased a TT or a 5er to camp in WILL NOT tow it empty or dry. I see post after post after post when people are wanting to know if their truck "will tow it", and they give a dry weight or empty weight number and even go as far as using the "dry pin weight" when talking about a 5er...It's a bit deceptive....one would think that one would understand that number means the truck is empty of water, propane, clothese, outdoor chairs, dry good's, pots pans and on and on and on....the EMPTY or DRY weight number is useless IF that number is what the consumer is looking at and trying if they can tow it...the "empty" and/or "dry" weight is useless when trying to match a tow vehicle to the unit
Anyone purchasing a TT or 5er to tow SHOULD use the 5er's GVW when trying to figure out "if their truck and tow it"....not the empty weight...same with pin weight...dry pin weight is yet another joke that people fall into looking at....Common sense would dictate that when one goes camping, they'll be loading up their TT or 5er when they drive off....Again, please do yourselves a favor and use the rv's GVWR when trying to figure out what to tow it with. Until one has purchased a brand new unit and transferred everything from one unit to another, I believe most would be surprised at just how much "stuff" they store in their 5er, especially if they have children....just my .02 and worth much less than that....Common sense seems to have taken a back seat at times when trying to match a tow vehicle to a TT or a 5er and one uses "dry weight" or "empty weight" as the number they're figuring on. It's a number that is almost irrelevant to what one is trying to figure out..
Agree and is the safest way
Try looking at it from the OEM's point of view selling to the public
That public is hell bent on mine's bigger than yours, so the various
bragging points are marketing's demographics
'Dry' is the stripper and so many think since it can't be ordered, nor
sold, it does NOT exist. Ditto for the 'curb' on TV's
These 'Ratings' (the 'R' in the acronyms) are real and part of the OEMs
contract to their buyers.
In order to have the highest CCC/Payload/etc, they take the GVWR and
strip it down to the bare essentials. That provides the maximum bragging
rights and marketing positioning
The Fed's are coming and hope sooner than later. Betcha the OEMs will
continue to figure out workarounds, as their customers will continue
to demand or buy via bragging rights of the biggest, fastest, etc
Oh, on the 'standard' stuff that folks 'think' are included because it
is part of the 'package' or that is the only way you can order one...well
they most likely used the stripper devoid of all those options during
their certification testing...
Also, am sure there are good OEMs out there who do it right or more
correctly, but haven't found one yet...
Actually the GVWR of a TT is a completely USELESS number for me. I only need to know the yellow sticker weight / actual dry weight of the TT as you see it sitting on the lot, to determine if I can tow a TT or not. After all. I know I will NEVER add enough weight to EVER get to the GVWR, UNLESS it is only 1000lbs over yellow sticker weight.
Why in the world would I need a TV that can tow 9000lb, when my TT weighs less than 6000lb loaded????????? Why can't I just use a TV that will easily tow what the TT really weighs, and not some fantasy weight.
I still want to know what y'all put in a trailer that add 2, and 3 thousand pounds. I have every thing I will ever use, and more, and added less than 1000lbs. And it gets lighter every year, as some things I don't use, come out every year.
But then I camp, I don't try to live in it.
