Safety

MFL wrote:
In my state, the Legislature just passed a bill, that concealed carry permits are no longer needed. Our Governor vetoed the bill, as he did not want this changed. There are so many CCPs issued in my state, the Governor figured we could not handle the loss of revenue, of permit renewal. Concealed carry, without a permit, is just a misdemeanor in my state. The Legislature will consider an override on Monday. I quit playing the permit renewal game many years ago.

Jerry

I assume this correct? I do have a Concealed permit from WA State, if pulled over for a light out lets say in CA do they know you have a permit?

If so IMHO a great reason NOT to get a permit.

I am retired on a disability from Law Enforcement and do have a Federal Permit that is governed by the US Code. I will carry while we are traveling on the road but don't once we get to the campground. I am required to qualify each year going through the same requirements as if I was still a fill timer. The only thing I question it the folks that pay some money to take a course and maybe use a 22 to qualify with then carry a higher powered piece. I definately feel you need to qualify yearly and only authorized to carry what you qualified with. I am uncomfortable with some folks who do not have to re apply every 5 years and not required to show instructor that you are able to carry instead of just paying $$ and be good for another 5 years.

Sorry for the long post. I will get off my soapbox.If you have had to carry for an occupation you might have different feelings. I hope all have save travels and total enjoyment.

Let me put my position a different way. If you do not feel the need to have a firearm for protection at home you probably don't need one for the Rv. RVing is not an activity that raises the threat level. It is an activity that brings about encounters you are unlikely to experience at home, which greatly increases the odds you will accidentally injure someone.
While RVing you are likely to have more personal interactions. Strangers are likely to be much closer to your personal space than you are accustomed to. You will be in unfamiliar surroundings and sounds common to where you are camping may be very alarming to you. Remember the scene in the movie "My Cousin Vinny" where city slicker Joe Pesci starts blasting away into the night because an Owl was hooting? I am much more afraid of an armed person in a strange environment than I am of being attacked while RVing.

before this thread goes to the landfill, my observation from this winter is that there are a heck of a lot more campers packing than you think.

popular model seems to the be 380.

Also did you notice all those clips on the outside of the jean pockets which lead to one of those cutting tools. :h

In my case, it enhances the quality of my sleep. The rest is "frosting on the cake". I'm a big fan of page 10 in the monthly NRA magazine.

westernrvparkowner wrote:

csamayfield55 wrote:
Let's see, Did the people in San Bernardino feel safe before that travesty? Did the people in Orlando feel safe? How about the people in London just this week? I choose to always have the tools I need with me and the training to use those tools.

We live in a different world than we did even 20 years ago. Society as a whole has lost their moral compass and it is becoming and individuals responsibility to keep themselves and their family safe.

Chris

Do you really think you would have had a chance to use a firearm in any of those three encounters? In San Bernardino, the gunmen had semiautomatic assault rifles. The shooting was over in a less than 3 minutes. During that time more than 100 rounds were fired by the attackers. In the ensuing chaos, people fled in multiple directions, a sprinkler system water pipe ruptured spraying water into room further hindering visibility. The odds of even getting a potential shot was minimal and the odds of injuring bystanders rather than the attackers was extremely high.
Perhaps a weapon would have been useful in Orlando, however I don't believe anyone would say that a nightclub full of semi-intoxicated youths would be safer than just saying "no weapons in this club".
In London, the dead bystanders were all killed by a vehicle. I know I don't want anyone shooting at random cars thinking one may suddenly veer into them.
I have followed these forums for years. Still haven't seen a single verifiable post about how an RVer has shot an intruder while camping.

First off let me give you a first hand experience of what having a weapon can and did do to stop what could have been a horrible crime.
My grandparents were heading down to Arizona for the winter and stopped at a pullout for the night. Very late that night a guy started banging on the door and trying to get in. When grandpa with his .380 opened the door and demanded he leave it de escalated very quickly!! Could it have happened the same without him pointing the gun at the guy's head? Maybe maybe not. Might have been I lost my grandparents that night!!

Could something different have happened at those other places? We will never know because they were all gun free zones where people were forced to rely on someone else to protect them.

If you want to be a sheep and wait for the slaughter that is your right. I personally would like and will have the ability to defend what is important to me and you can darn sure bet if I ever stay at your park I will have a 1911 on the shelf in my bedroom if not on my hip but you will never know it

Chris

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csamayfield55 wrote:
Let's see, Did the people in San Bernardino feel safe before that travesty? Did the people in Orlando feel safe? How about the people in London just this week? I choose to always have the tools I need with me and the training to use those tools.

We live in a different world than we did even 20 years ago. Society as a whole has lost their moral compass and it is becoming and individuals responsibility to keep themselves and their family safe.

Chris

Do you really think you would have had a chance to use a firearm in any of those three encounters? In San Bernardino, the gunmen had semiautomatic assault rifles. The shooting was over in a less than 3 minutes. During that time more than 100 rounds were fired by the attackers. In the ensuing chaos, people fled in multiple directions, a sprinkler system water pipe ruptured spraying water into room further hindering visibility. The odds of even getting a potential shot was minimal and the odds of injuring bystanders rather than the attackers was extremely high.
Perhaps a weapon would have been useful in Orlando, however I don't believe anyone would say that a nightclub full of semi-intoxicated youths armed with handguns would be safer than just saying "no weapons in this club".
In London, the dead bystanders were all killed by a vehicle. I know I don't want anyone shooting at random cars thinking one may suddenly veer into them.
I have followed these forums for years. Still haven't seen a single verifiable post about how an RVer has shot an intruder while camping.

In my state, the Legislature just passed a bill, that concealed carry permits are no longer needed. Our Governor vetoed the bill, as he did not want this changed. There are so many CCPs issued in my state, the Governor figured we could not handle the loss of revenue, of permit renewal. Concealed carry, without a permit, is just a misdemeanor in my state. The Legislature will consider an override on Monday. I quit playing the permit renewal game many years ago.

Jerry

Let's see, Did the people in San Bernardino feel safe before that travesty? Did the people in Orlando feel safe? How about the people in London just this week? I choose to always have the tools I need with me and the training to use those tools.

We live in a different world than we did even 20 years ago. Society as a whole has lost their moral compass and it is becoming and individuals responsibility to keep themselves and their family safe.

Chris