senior pass

colliehauler wrote:

ItsyRV wrote:

RGar974417 wrote:
Our government can give freebies to people that never contributed to this country or to illegals,so they can give a discount to those of us who worked hard and served our country.

Just to educate me, can you tell me exactly what federal benefits our government is giving to illegal immigrants?

I've stayed out of this but according to the government Web site the net cost of illegals is between 2 billion and 19 billion dollar's with no way of tracking true cost. You can google this information. GAO Web site.

If it;s the report everyone keeps linking, that was from 1995, (over 20 years ago), which was the last year before the federal prohibition on providing benefits to undocumented immigrants started kicking in. We need a current report. Currently no federal benefits can be paid to undocumented immigrants. There are provisions for spending on things like emergency medical care or emergency food payments, but those are not direct benefits, just emergency spending. ;)

ItsyRV wrote:

RGar974417 wrote:
Our government can give freebies to people that never contributed to this country or to illegals,so they can give a discount to those of us who worked hard and served our country.

Just to educate me, can you tell me exactly what federal benefits our government is giving to illegal immigrants?

I've stayed out of this but according to the government Web site the net cost of illegals is between 2 billion and 19 billion dollar's with no way of tracking true cost. You can google this information. GAO Web site.

RGar974417 wrote:
Our government can give freebies to people that never contributed to this country or to illegals,so they can give a discount to those of us who worked hard and served our country.

Just to educate me, can you tell me exactly what federal benefits our government is giving to illegal immigrants?

GDS-3950BH wrote:

RGar974417 wrote:

GDS-3950BH wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:

jplante4 wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
I can make a case for "duty and honor" in almost all professions. Heck, the guy who drives the trash truck fulfills a duty of keeping our cities and towns free of garbage.

And if there was an explosive hidden under one of the streets this guy was collecting garbage on, then this would be a reasonable comparison.

The clerk at the local 7-11 risks being shot by a crack head every day all the interest of selling someone a Slurpee. Do they deserve a discount for their service? A good friend of mine was electrocuted and permanently disabled while working as a lineman for the power company. I can make a very good case that his service (keeping the power on) is a much greater need than a peacekeeping force in Afghanistan. Does everyone who works for the utility companies deserve special discounts?


Both fishing and logging have higher death rates than military service. And over that last 40 years only in 5 years were the deaths in military service higher for combat than for accidental deaths. That means even in military service you are more likely to die or be injured by a bad driver than a bomb.
I guess that over the years the number of people who claim to deserve special treatment has jaded me. I am tired of every group claiming they deserve special treatment because what they chose to do is somehow special. My solution is to treat everyone the same. And isn't equality the fundamental value the founders of this country used to justify it's existence? For those of you who have forgot, the first line of the Declaration of Independence goes: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal". No mention of special groups or services.

Hallelujah. Well said.

Treat everyone the same? My 95 year old Uncle was part of the invasion force on Okinawa in 1945.Next time we are attacked you go.

I did go, did you?

When I went I was not thinking about discounted campsite fees or 80 cents off of a $5 breakfast.

Yes. I am a veteran too.Navy, February 70 to February 74. I wasn't thinking of getting a discount either. But when I get one,I appreciate it. I will be 68 in a few weeks.Like I said I never took anything up until this time. But this is one discount I can use and appreciate Our government can give freebies to people that never contributed to this country or to illegals,so they can give a discount to those of us who worked hard and served our country.If you don't want it,don't take it.

I paid for my future retirement and health care for half a century, then I was told the deal was altered. If one wants to get bent about something, find bigger items than a park entrance fee.

JimK-NY wrote:

It has gotten to the point where most visitors to the National Parks are foreigners so cheating seniors is really not likely to make much difference except for those of us who are seniors.

Now that is the truth!!

CFerguson wrote:
When I bought my pass, I understood it to be a contract. A payment against future use of services/goods.

That said, I am reminded of the scene in Star Wars where Vader says "I have altered the deal. Pray that I don't alter it more." (or something like that)

And there are still those who wonder why most of us hate the government and politicians. A private company reneging on an agreement would end up in court or out of business.

It has gotten to the point where most visitors to the National Parks are foreigners so cheating seniors is really not likely to make much difference except for those of us who are seniors.

mockturtle wrote:
I would be OK with using my pass only on weekdays in very high-use parks. In fact, I usually avoid public campgrounds on weekends anyway.

we are the same way...

When I bought my pass, I understood it to be a contract. A payment against future use of services/goods.

That said, I am reminded of the scene in Star Wars where Vader says "I have altered the deal. Pray that I don't alter it more." (or something like that)

I love the posts where someone says "I don't want to start a political debate, but let me make one snide political remark here and don't reply to it."