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path1
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Sep 24, 2014

Social Security question/ help please if you know

I’ve been reading articles when I see them about drawing social security early and 99.9% say drawing early is not recommended and a bad decision.

The people that write these articles I bet have more education than me. But when I run my numbers I can’t figure out why they come to that conclusion.

I've spent the last couple days doing the math problem over and over and leads to believe I must be doing something wrong. My cross over point of waiting for full age or drawing early comes to almost 80!!!

So I’m thinking I must be making a math error, but can't find out where. Keep getting same answer of around 80 years old.

According to my “Your Social Security Statement” Social security basically says they will pay me 25% less than full retirement age and till I die if I take it at 62 versus 66. Looking further into their web site and just not the statement, it is not 66 but actually 66 ½ for my “full retirement age”. Then they go on to say by year 2033 the thing is screwed anyways unless some changes are made.

I tried to write out the math problem here as if I’m putting it into a calculator but it doesn’t make any sense, probably I'm not doing something right.

There are 54 months (or payments to me) between age 62 and 66 ½. So I took that 25% more I would get if I waited till 66 ½ and divided by the 54 months (or payments) to see where I would break even point. That number comes out to be almost 80 years old! I’m thinking no way 80 can be correct. I must be doing something wrong. Almost 80 years old and no male has made it to 80 in my family that I know of and who’s saying I’ll even make it to 66 ½ in the first place.

What am I missing? Is my math wrong?

I should draw early or wait.

I’m thinking if the 80 number is right, I don’t need the added security of the added money of "full retirement age" of 66 ½. And take the "bird in hand" right now.

I couldn’t find any other forum dealing with social security questions, but I know many on this forum are old enough and smart enough to have worked the numbers.

Is my math correct at 80?

Do you have an example of the math formula so I can put into calculator?

Thanks for any and all help.

(edit: deleted personal info because it didn't make any difference)
  • salem wrote:
    The longer you wait the less chance you have of spending it.
    It's not an easy choice, unless you know how long you'll live, and live healthy. Or you just care about the monthly rate.
  • Same here as Bumproad said. The lady at S.S. office told my wife to take her's as soon as she was eligible because if she waited to receive the max. it would take her fourteen years to make up the difference. The longer you wait the less chance you have of spending it.
  • 80 might well be the "break even point" for you to take SS at 62 vs 70. So if you live to about 80 it does not matter much. That is how the system is designed.

    Keep in mind it is not just about getting the most out of SS but about running out of money. To work longer and take the money later has you far less likely to run out of having enough money.

    When you and your sibling are both 80 and one is receiving half from SS because they started early and both your savings are depleted.... what check would you rather be getting?

    If you have a fat investment account and SS is just a distraction it may not matter much unless disaster strikes and you are suddenly heavily dependent on SS.

    Of course if you expect to live to 85+ the decision gets easier.

    Also if the spouse is depending on that check and far outlives you it could be quite a gift to wait. Especially if spouse is a bit younger. The payment does not always completely stop when you are done.

    Just a few random thoughts. The future is still unknown.
  • path1 wrote:

    I've spent the last couple days doing the math problem over and over and leads to believe I must be doing something wrong. My cross over point of waiting for full age or drawing early comes to almost 80!!!
    .


    mine was about 85 IIRC. the lady at SS recommended taking it as soon as possible and I did. I figure that at 85 I will be sitting around in an old folks home in a vegetative state and have no need for fun funds.
    bumpy
  • You are doing the math right. The problem is that you will most likely live beyond that age and along with inflation during the years from 62 to 80 will hurt. Everyone's situation is different and you will get good advise directly from the Social Security office, but they will need to know a lot of these things to help.
  • Ron3rd's avatar
    Ron3rd
    Explorer III
    You should be getting the statements from the Govt showing what you'll get at say, 62, 65, etc. Most important thing is not to retire without health insurance. Medicare kicks in at 65 so if you retire at 62 without coverage, you could be taking a big chance or must have the means to pay for coverage until Medicare is available. The two most important things when you retire; having a place to live that's paid for and health insurance.

    Good luck in your decision.
  • 80 is about right for the break even point. So your own personal health and life expectancy is a big factor. But so is your wife's. if you wait until full retirement age to draw and end up dying before 80 your wife, assuming she survives you, will continue to benefit from the higher monthly payment even though you are gone.

    For me and my wife, both of our parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles have tended to live to 85 and beyond with 90's common. So delaying applying for SS benefits made sense for us.
  • Very easy to do if you know how to use an Excel Spreadsheet. My break even point is age 74 1/2. If you have Excel on your computer send me a PM with your email address and I will send you the spreadsheet.

    The difference in age 62 and 66 1/2 for most people will be a break even point after 12 or 13 years. If you plan to live past the age of 75 it will pay you to wait. Life is a gamble.
  • Best to go to your local SS office and have a 'sit down' with them. They will put in it writing you can understand.
  • I've been thinking about this, but I can't readily solve it.

    Google has some hits on 'social security break even'.

    Try this

    This is also likely a 'future value' problem.

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