Tariffs hit RV prices

valhalla360 wrote:

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As far as $5k extra for an F150...not buying it. The raw metal isn't that expensive.
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There is more healthcare $ than steel $ in that F150.

HTH;
John

Thor Industries recently warned of the serious affect tariffs will have on their business. Tariffs

Wasn't all that long ago our Can dollar was higher than the US dollar. In the past few years the Can dollar has been around 25-30% lower, already significantly increasing the cost of US-made RVs and all sorts of stuff to us. Good thing we bought our TT in 2014 because today it'd cost thousands more. I hate to think what tariffs could cost us and do to trade.

Where do folks are get their info. and opinions from anyway - what they the hear on the news media? How can anyone make sense of it? Our son is working on a PHD in Europe in international economics and has a whole other take on it all. Personally, I think the tariffs are extremely ill-conceived and will lead to a serious recession, if not depression.

Wonder when this thread will get closed??

"Might as well pay for American goods and get quality. For example, I can remember many years ago a nail could actually be driven into a board without bending. And, screw head did not twist off with minimal torque."

So true. I have a friend that operates a stationary store. He says the Chinese can't even make a decent paper clip. I gave up on their nails and screws long ago. I use Power Pro self driving screws now for everything. They are made in Taiwan, and have the star drive head. Spendy, but a joy to use.

goducks10 wrote:
The $1.5T tax cut we all got will offset the rise in prices from tariffs. Or will it?

It's zero. If it becomes prohibitive, no one will be importing and no revenue for tariff will be be collected.

This is the problem of the genius who thought of it. The global market is interconnected and almost perfect that if someone ups the prices and no one else followed, then the raw material will be moved to be sourced somewhere else.

valhalla360 wrote:

RTCastillo wrote:

So very true. And China just shifted sourcing of soy and kidney beans from Brazil. While we in turn gets higher prices for aluminum and steel in add-on tariffs for steel and aluminum from Canada, China and even domestically.

This seems not to be a winning proposition for us US consumers.

You do realize, these are fungible products?
- Presumably they were not buying from Brazil because Brazilian prices were higher. Most likely due to higher shipping costs.
- Whoever was buying from Brazil still wants to buy beans but if Brazil is selling to China, someone else...like the USA...will supply those beans.

Yes, there will be some short term turbulence but after the first year, there should be no significant impact other than China likely will pay a bit more since they aren't buying from the cheapest source.

Sorry, you lost me here somewhere starting with speculative "presumably".

And yes, also on the how of the "short term turbulence will disappear after the first year." Care to explain how and why?

valhalla360 wrote:

Aridon wrote:
China is not in a recession. Their economy grew at 6%+ last quarter on a year over year basis. Not sure where you get your info but it is wrong.

Sure and they never falsify their numbers....:S

Isn't that what they say about all the numbers they don't agree with?

I wish I've thought of that excuse on my math classes, lol.

Trying to be funny, no offense.

Ralph Cramden wrote:

RTCastillo wrote:


That's what they said about coal that even insiders in the industry is now saying it's dying and quickly.

And these insiders are? They may want to tell that to Dodge Analytics and some of the other construction data and bid sites, who are posting billions of dollars worth of future construction of mine facilites coming up in the next 10 years or so. They even have a few coal plants listed. They should also tell that to Consol, Murray Energy etc. We have a couple of contracts ongoing right now for mine support facilities. You might kill it off out on the west coast but its not going away anytime soon here in the East.

The further you go west in the US, the higher the percentage gets of those who think their energy comes from some magic source and is delivered in a wagon pulled by Unicorns. You can tell that simply by reading these type of threads, thinking a little, and matching up the persons location with their post or position lol.

Good luck and wish US extraction industry well. Yeah, West Coast are targeting on all renewable electricity sources in their future years.

Even China, the biggest coal user, is not building any new coal powered plants.

I was engaged by a cement manufacturer whose long term goal is to use coal only in firing up and minimally in stable operations. Calculated that while coal is low in purchase price initially, there is higher costs overall to include storage, ash dumping and disposal.

BTW, the insider is Robert Murray, he is just the owner of the biggest private coal company in the US. The same news said that solar energy employs more people currently than the coal industry and still on the downtrend.

The $1.5T tax cut we all got will offset the rise in prices from tariffs. Or will it?

All of the screaming about tariffs is fun, but did you sit down at your keyboard and look and see what protectionist tariffs are changed against US goods and products going to many of those countries?

Fair Trade My Donkey!!
Even Canada had a 270% on US dairy products.

This is just trying to roll the playing field flat.

Matt

free radical wrote:
Those who dont learn from history tend to make same mistakes,protectionist tarrifs will make everything more expensive for the customers..its that simple

That I can understand.