The camping industry is going to be hit hard

valhalla360 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
What we don't want is death.

So far the "solution" does nothing to stop death. At best we are delaying it for a short time.

A vaccine is likely 2yrs out...if we wait that long, the world economy won't be coming back...if we open up, cases will go back up.

Sweden is taking a logical approach. Asking elderly and at-risk groups to isolate but the young and healthy, who have little risk, can go about their lives. Yes, there will be more cases initially but as the population develops immunity, the epidemic ends.

We should be opening up low risk work as soon as possible to minimize the impact to the economy while protecting the vulnerable.

Realistically we will hit a point where people will simply ignore the govt rules if they are unreasonable. A fundamental concept of law is it requires the vast majority to abide by it voluntarily...the mood is fast shifting as they aren't coming up with a long term solution.

bid_time wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
What we don't want is death.

So far the "solution" does nothing to stop death. At best we are delaying it for a short time.

A vaccine is likely 2yrs out...if we wait that long, the world economy won't be coming back...if we open up, cases will go back up.

Sweden is taking a logical approach. Asking elderly and at-risk groups to isolate but the young and healthy, who have little risk, can go about their lives. Yes, there will be more cases initially but as the population develops immunity, the epidemic ends.

We should be opening up low risk work as soon as possible to minimize the impact to the economy while protecting the vulnerable.

Realistically we will hit a point where people will simply ignore the govt rules if they are unreasonable. A fundamental concept of law is it requires the vast majority to abide by it voluntarily...the mood is fast shifting as they aren't coming up with a long term solution.

Exactly, that seems to be the point most people miss; and bears repeating. Sheltering in place does not stop the disease (remember rounding the curve), just delays it. A vaccine may mitigate it, but it won't be around for 2 years; if at all. Unemployment is real, there is no rounding of that curve.

valhalla360 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
What we don't want is death.

So far the "solution" does nothing to stop death. At best we are delaying it for a short time.

A vaccine is likely 2yrs out...if we wait that long, the world economy won't be coming back...if we open up, cases will go back up.

Sweden is taking a logical approach. Asking elderly and at-risk groups to isolate but the young and healthy, who have little risk, can go about their lives. Yes, there will be more cases initially but as the population develops immunity, the epidemic ends.

We should be opening up low risk work as soon as possible to minimize the impact to the economy while protecting the vulnerable.

Realistically we will hit a point where people will simply ignore the govt rules if they are unreasonable. A fundamental concept of law is it requires the vast majority to abide by it voluntarily...the mood is fast shifting as they aren't coming up with a long term solution.

bid_time wrote:

otrfun wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
If things start opening May 1st the economy will recover slowly. If we stay closed for 2 more months (like some want us to do) the. Things will go bad quick. The economy can barely handle the 4 weeks we have now. Another 8 will kill it off quickly.

We need to get back to operation fast. We will survive this as has been proven time and again in the past couple months. Some people just aren’t being reasonable or using common sense when they start talking about keeping things closed for a couple more months or more. There are a few states that are already planning on going bankrupt!

My take in it! You have to explain it to people like you would a child, and this is not easy to do but it needs to be said.
“People get sick and sometimes people die”
this is nature and no amount of closing businesses is going to stop it. The virus will spread until “it”decides to stop spreading! If humans think they can control nature they are wrong and there is plenty of history that proves that! Yes we can slow it, but that all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. It will run its course and will stop and we will have a vaccine by this time next year. And even then with a. Vaccine people will still die from it!

As long as all this happens far, far away, on TV . . . it's easy to take your position that we should just open things up and let it "run its course".

If the raw reality of "People get sick and sometimes people die" came walking in the front door of your home, would you still feel the same?

If you were unemployed, married, had a five year old and a 3 year old, and a mortgage, and your only source of income was $900 per week, would you still feel the same?
There are a lot of tough questions out there.

otrfun wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
If things start opening May 1st the economy will recover slowly. If we stay closed for 2 more months (like some want us to do) the. Things will go bad quick. The economy can barely handle the 4 weeks we have now. Another 8 will kill it off quickly.

We need to get back to operation fast. We will survive this as has been proven time and again in the past couple months. Some people just aren’t being reasonable or using common sense when they start talking about keeping things closed for a couple more months or more. There are a few states that are already planning on going bankrupt!

My take in it! You have to explain it to people like you would a child, and this is not easy to do but it needs to be said.
“People get sick and sometimes people die”
this is nature and no amount of closing businesses is going to stop it. The virus will spread until “it”decides to stop spreading! If humans think they can control nature they are wrong and there is plenty of history that proves that! Yes we can slow it, but that all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. It will run its course and will stop and we will have a vaccine by this time next year. And even then with a. Vaccine people will still die from it!

As long as all this happens far, far away, on TV . . . it's easy to take your position that we should just open things up and let it "run its course".

If the raw reality of "People get sick and sometimes people die" came walking in the front door of your home, would you still feel the same?

valhalla360 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
What we don't want is death.

So far the "solution" does nothing to stop death. At best we are delaying it for a short time.

A vaccine is likely 2yrs out...if we wait that long, the world economy won't be coming back...if we open up, cases will go back up.

Sweden is taking a logical approach. Asking elderly and at-risk groups to isolate but the young and healthy, who have little risk, can go about their lives. Yes, there will be more cases initially but as the population develops immunity, the epidemic ends.

We should be opening up low risk work as soon as possible to minimize the impact to the economy while protecting the vulnerable.

Realistically we will hit a point where people will simply ignore the govt rules if they are unreasonable. A fundamental concept of law is it requires the vast majority to abide by it voluntarily...the mood is fast shifting as they aren't coming up with a long term solution.

dodge guy wrote:
If things start opening May 1st the economy will recover slowly. If we stay closed for 2 more months (like some want us to do) the. Things will go bad quick. The economy can barely handle the 4 weeks we have now. Another 8 will kill it off quickly.

We need to get back to operation fast. We will survive this as has been proven time and again in the past couple months. Some people just aren’t being reasonable or using common sense when they start talking about keeping things closed for a couple more months or more. There are a few states that are already planning on going bankrupt!

My take in it! You have to explain it to people like you would a child, and this is not easy to do but it needs to be said.
“People get sick and sometimes people die”
this is nature and no amount of closing businesses is going to stop it. The virus will spread until “it”decides to stop spreading! If humans think they can control nature they are wrong and there is plenty of history that proves that! Yes we can slow it, but that all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. It will run its course and will stop and we will have a vaccine by this time next year. And even then with a. Vaccine people will still die from it!

Tripalot wrote:
In our area, one of the local RV dealers is allowing nursing staff to live in units instead of chancing taking the virus home to their family.
That is very considerate and generous. I would be leery of buying from that dealer in the future - who knows what be lurking in those trailers.