The camping industry is going to be hit hard

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Etstorm wrote:

otrfun wrote:
China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months. How this lockdown affected their economy remains to be seen. But, one thing's for sure, China's Covid-19 stats are in stark contrast to those in the US. The Covid-19 death rate in the US (as of yesterday) is approx. 30 times higher per capita than China. China is clearly on the downside of their "curve", while the US is still trying to flatten it. Our death rate will continue to get even worse, while China's (barring further outbreaks) will only get better. Very sobering contrast.

For those who propose we open up the economy (reduce social distancing and sheltering-in-place) while we're just starting to flatten the curve should let the disparity of the above death rates sink in a bit more.

On a side-note, China manufactures a large percentage of US consumer products, not to mention many of the sub-components used in auto, trucks, RV's, etc. that are "made" in the US. It'll be interesting to see if China's lockdown (and subsequent drop in economic activity) affects the US supply chain in the coming months.

But the big question is

Do you believe China in their reporting. I do not!

AHMEN!!!!!!!

If you choose not to believe China's numbers that's certainly your choice. However, the medical community here in the US (with literally thousand of years of experience and expertise) agrees that social distancing and sheltering-in place save lives, many lives. The only thing really open to debate is whether you feel (or not feel) these lives saved (through social distancing and sheltering-in-place) are worth the economic impact to our country. Very hard to have a convincing position on this question without specifically addressing the value of both sides of this equation.

Etstorm wrote:

otrfun wrote:
China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months. How this lockdown affected their economy remains to be seen. But, one thing's for sure, China's Covid-19 stats are in stark contrast to those in the US. The Covid-19 death rate in the US (as of yesterday) is approx. 30 times higher per capita than China. China is clearly on the downside of their "curve", while the US is still trying to flatten it. Our death rate will continue to get even worse, while China's (barring further outbreaks) will only get better. Very sobering contrast.

For those who propose we open up the economy (reduce social distancing and sheltering-in-place) while we're just starting to flatten the curve should let the disparity of the above death rates sink in a bit more.

On a side-note, China manufactures a large percentage of US consumer products, not to mention many of the sub-components used in auto, trucks, RV's, etc. that are "made" in the US. It'll be interesting to see if China's lockdown (and subsequent drop in economic activity) affects the US supply chain in the coming months.

But the big question is

Do you believe China in their reporting. I do not!

AHMEN!!!!!!!

mockturtle wrote:

orfun wrote:
China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months.

I don't think they locked down the whole country, just Wuhan and maybe the rest of Hubei province.

No one has a clue what Communist China did or is doing.

westernrvparkowner wrote:

otrfun wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months. How this lockdown affected their economy remains to be seen. But, one thing's for sure, China's Covid-19 stats are in stark contrast to those in the US. The Covid-19 death rate in the US (as of yesterday) is approx. 30 times higher per capita than China. China is clearly on the downside of their "curve", while the US is still trying to flatten it. Our death rate will continue to get even worse, while China's (barring further outbreaks) will only get better. Very sobering contrast."

You REALLY believe aNYTHING Communist China is claiming???????

MSNBC, right???

No, I don't. However, there's enough evidence from reputable 3rd party sources in China (not MSNBC) to make me believe these numbers are relatively accurate. If you have any hard evidence to the contrary, please feel free to substantiate.

Bottom line, social distancing and sheltering-in place saves lives. Whether these lives saved are worth the economic impact to our country is certainly open to debate. Got to ask: How do you place a specific dollar value on a human life?

The fact is there will no time when it will be certain no people will die of COVID19. A virus with a proven vaccine in use of decades killed 140,000 in 2018. That virus was measles. Despite being the first virus with a vaccine, there are still scattered cases of wild polio in the world. People still die from AIDS, and it has been the subject of intensive research for a generation. The only virus that has been considered eradicated out of existence is Smallpox. We are going to have to live with COVID19 and probably several mutated variations for many years to come. A world where economies are functioning well will be better suited to meet the challenges of future outbreaks than a world in depression where providing the basic essentials of life such as food and shelter takes all of the available resources. It isn't as simple as shelter in place for X number of days and everything will be hunky dory.

No, social distancing and shelter-in-place won't make things "hunk dory" in a big picture sense, but it can absolutely save a lot of lives right now, today. There is no debating this fact. The debate here is whether it's worth the economic impact to our country to save these lives through social distancing and sheltering-in-place for X amount of time. Very hard to have a convincing position on this question without specifically addressing the value of both sides of this equation.

bid_time wrote:

otrfun wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
If things start opening May 1st the economy will recover slowly. If we stay closed for 2 more months (like some want us to do) the. Things will go bad quick. The economy can barely handle the 4 weeks we have now. Another 8 will kill it off quickly.

We need to get back to operation fast. We will survive this as has been proven time and again in the past couple months. Some people just aren’t being reasonable or using common sense when they start talking about keeping things closed for a couple more months or more. There are a few states that are already planning on going bankrupt!

My take in it! You have to explain it to people like you would a child, and this is not easy to do but it needs to be said.
“People get sick and sometimes people die”
this is nature and no amount of closing businesses is going to stop it. The virus will spread until “it”decides to stop spreading! If humans think they can control nature they are wrong and there is plenty of history that proves that! Yes we can slow it, but that all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. It will run its course and will stop and we will have a vaccine by this time next year. And even then with a. Vaccine people will still die from it!

As long as all this happens far, far away, on TV . . . it's easy to take your position that we should just open things up and let it "run its course".

If the raw reality of "People get sick and sometimes people die" came walking in the front door of your home, would you still feel the same?

If you were unemployed, married, had a five year old and a 3 year old, and a mortgage, and your only source of income was $900 per week, would you still feel the same?
There are a lot of tough questions out there.

not a bad income why would you go back to work

otrfun wrote:
China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months. How this lockdown affected their economy remains to be seen. But, one thing's for sure, China's Covid-19 stats are in stark contrast to those in the US. The Covid-19 death rate in the US (as of yesterday) is approx. 30 times higher per capita than China. China is clearly on the downside of their "curve", while the US is still trying to flatten it. Our death rate will continue to get even worse, while China's (barring further outbreaks) will only get better. Very sobering contrast.

For those who propose we open up the economy (reduce social distancing and sheltering-in-place) while we're just starting to flatten the curve should let the disparity of the above death rates sink in a bit more.

On a side-note, China manufactures a large percentage of US consumer products, not to mention many of the sub-components used in auto, trucks, RV's, etc. that are "made" in the US. It'll be interesting to see if China's lockdown (and subsequent drop in economic activity) affects the US supply chain in the coming months.

But the big question is

Do you believe China in their reporting. I do not!

orfun wrote:
China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months.

I don't think they locked down the whole country, just Wuhan and maybe the rest of Hubei province.

otrfun wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"China locked down their country hard for approx. 2-3 months. How this lockdown affected their economy remains to be seen. But, one thing's for sure, China's Covid-19 stats are in stark contrast to those in the US. The Covid-19 death rate in the US (as of yesterday) is approx. 30 times higher per capita than China. China is clearly on the downside of their "curve", while the US is still trying to flatten it. Our death rate will continue to get even worse, while China's (barring further outbreaks) will only get better. Very sobering contrast."

You REALLY believe aNYTHING Communist China is claiming???????

MSNBC, right???

No, I don't. However, there's enough evidence from reputable 3rd party sources in China (not MSNBC) to make me believe these numbers are relatively accurate. If you have any hard evidence to the contrary, please feel free to substantiate.

Bottom line, social distancing and sheltering-in place saves lives. Whether these lives saved are worth the economic impact to our country is certainly open to debate. Got to ask: How do you place a specific dollar value on a human life?

The fact is there will no time when it will be certain no people will die of COVID19. A virus with a proven vaccine in use of decades killed 140,000 in 2018. That virus was measles. Despite being the first virus with a vaccine, there are still scattered cases of wild polio in the world. People still die from AIDS, and it has been the subject of intensive research for a generation. The only virus that has been considered eradicated out of existence is Smallpox. We are going to have to live with COVID19 and probably several mutated variations for many years to come. A world where economies are functioning well will be better suited to meet the challenges of future outbreaks than a world in depression where providing the basic essentials of life such as food and shelter takes all of the available resources. It isn't as simple as shelter in place for X number of days and everything will be hunky dory.

Will financial impact of the situation put more pressure of RV industry to even further cut quality?

otrfun wrote:
Got to ask: How do you place a specific dollar value on a human life?

Here are some of the ways societies do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life

It is sad that we have to but with finite resources in a society it does come down to money in the end.