The right fuels to use. Don't be foolish

Heu guys. First time in the forum so learning how to copy in people and thread, blah, blah, blah.

This is an intersting discusion from which i think we are all agreed water and gas don't mix from a mechanical performance perspective. @wing_zealot made a valid quote.

@wing_zealot wrote:
Total BS. The gas won't mix with the water so the station would end up with about 50 stranded cars with a bunch of screaming customers in their lobby. And there is a "water finding paste" they put on the stick to tell How much water is in the bottom of the tank.

While we're at it all tanks get water in them from condensation and all have a watertight cap on the filler. The water gets pumped out periodically. The pump suction line does not go all the way to the bottom.

Found a video showing exactly that, they mix water with gas and use water finding paste on a stick to detect different product. ***Link Removed***

i generally stick to the main busier sites rather than the discounters as i know the stock rotation of the gas will be better and i just feel they do a better product after hearing all this stories TOO often.

B.O. Plenty wrote:

wa8yxm wrote:
Though the person who said "only so many Refrineries" is correct.

It is a fact that different companies use different formulations for their additivesm, also different comnpanies have different quality standard.

One name brand station in a town I used to live in the management got in trouble for topping off their storage tanks... WITH WATER from a garden hose.

The state of Michigan has regulations which allow a small amount of water in the underground tanks, and they inspect for it,, Clearly the station above had more than that.

Another name brand station, before it was sold to an overseas firm at least, had company rules that were much more strict than the Michigan law (They only allowed about 1/2 the water the state did) Plus in the winter they added a gas line freeze up preventive (HEET brand Gas Line antifreeze in fact)

I gassed up at one of their stations.. My Daughter's God Father laughed at me for paying that high price, and bragged about how much he was saving buying at an "off brand" discount station.... Till I used my Running just fine car to tow his would not start to the shop for a 300 Dollar repair job due to water in the gas.

Really??? Gasoline and water do not mix...the gas floats on top. What would they gain by doing this? Sounds like an old urban myth to me..

B.O.

Ethanol is capable holding more than 20 times the water that straight gasoline can.

Even more problematic is an effect called 'phase separation', this when the water in suspension in a gas / ethanol blend reaches the saturation point of the gasoline part of the mixture. At that point the ethanol, which aggressively absorbs and holds onto water, starts to drop out of the gasoline.

When this happens you end up with a tank of mostly gasoline with a layer of very water-laden ethanol at the bottom.

One local station would always throw the CEL on my old car. Every darn time. As soon as I gassed up elsewhere, it would clear within a few miles. I found it odd.

Nowadays I usually just use Costco if they're close to me. Usually they are the cheapest or within a few cents. But on a trip I usually just fill up near the freeway. It's not usually worth it to drive out of the way to seek out gas stations that aren't on my route just to save a couple of bucks on a fill up.

well i'm hooked on diesel, and many discount places don't have diesel
when i had a gasser i never noticed any mileage difference
BUT my dodge 413, would smell when i used ARCO
not when driving, but minutes after shutting down, a smell would start coming from the dog house, never did that on other brands
figured it must be an arco additive, that caused it
i had two P30- chevy 454's, but i never did put arco in them
so i don't know it they would smell
ran all other brands, never noticed any mileage difference

steve-n-vicki wrote:
Have anyone stopped to think what the refinery uses to separate the product in the pipe line?............................. water, the refinery will send diesel fuel ,water , 85 octane gas ,water , 93 octane gas, water , the ethanol is added at the terminal ( our ethanol is brought in on rail cars) and the individual company's additives are also added at the time the truck is loaded

may have at one time, but now they use what they call "pigs" a mechanical seperator in the line that moves with the fuel.

they do NOT use water.

Pipeline pigs are devices that are inserted into and travel throughout the length of a pipeline driven by a product flow. They were originally developed to remove deposits which could obstruct or ****** flow through a pipeline. Today pigs are used during all phases in the life of a pipeline for many different reasons.
Although each pipeline has its own set of characteristics which affect how and why pigging is used, there are basically three reasons to pig a pipeline:

To batch or separate dissimilar products;
For displacement purposes;
For internal inspection.

You do understand that Dri-Gas, Heet and ethanol all causes water to mix with gas? The more ethanol, the more water they can sell you.

wa8yxm wrote:
Though the person who said "only so many Refrineries" is correct.

It is a fact that different companies use different formulations for their additivesm, also different comnpanies have different quality standard.

One name brand station in a town I used to live in the management got in trouble for topping off their storage tanks... WITH WATER from a garden hose.

The state of Michigan has regulations which allow a small amount of water in the underground tanks, and they inspect for it,, Clearly the station above had more than that.

Another name brand station, before it was sold to an overseas firm at least, had company rules that were much more strict than the Michigan law (They only allowed about 1/2 the water the state did) Plus in the winter they added a gas line freeze up preventive (HEET brand Gas Line antifreeze in fact)

I gassed up at one of their stations.. My Daughter's God Father laughed at me for paying that high price, and bragged about how much he was saving buying at an "off brand" discount station.... Till I used my Running just fine car to tow his would not start to the shop for a 300 Dollar repair job due to water in the gas.

Total BS. The gas won't mix with the water so the station would end up with about 50 stranded cars with a bunch of screaming customers in their lobby. And there is a "water finding paste" they put on the stick to tell How much water is in the bottom of the tank.

While we're at it all tanks get water in them from condensation and all have a watertight cap on the filler. The water gets pumped out periodically. The pump suction line does not go all the way to the bottom.

Have anyone stopped to think what the refinery uses to separate the product in the pipe line?............................. water, the refinery will send diesel fuel ,water , 85 octane gas ,water , 93 octane gas, water , the ethanol is added at the terminal ( our ethanol is brought in on rail cars) and the individual company's additives are also added at the time the truck is loaded

B.O. Plenty wrote:

wa8yxm wrote:
Though the person who said "only so many Refrineries" is correct.

It is a fact that different companies use different formulations for their additivesm, also different comnpanies have different quality standard.

One name brand station in a town I used to live in the management got in trouble for topping off their storage tanks... WITH WATER from a garden hose.

The state of Michigan has regulations which allow a small amount of water in the underground tanks, and they inspect for it,, Clearly the station above had more than that.

Another name brand station, before it was sold to an overseas firm at least, had company rules that were much more strict than the Michigan law (They only allowed about 1/2 the water the state did) Plus in the winter they added a gas line freeze up preventive (HEET brand Gas Line antifreeze in fact)

I gassed up at one of their stations.. My Daughter's God Father laughed at me for paying that high price, and bragged about how much he was saving buying at an "off brand" discount station.... Till I used my Running just fine car to tow his would not start to the shop for a 300 Dollar repair job due to water in the gas.

Really??? Gasoline and water do not mix...the gas floats on top. What would they gain by doing this? Sounds like an old urban myth to me..

B.O.

Back in the day, used to have to stick the tanks, to determine level.
That was balanced against receipts. If employees were stealing gas, adding water would raise the level. Only reason, I can think of

wa8yxm wrote:
Though the person who said "only so many Refrineries" is correct.

It is a fact that different companies use different formulations for their additivesm, also different comnpanies have different quality standard.

One name brand station in a town I used to live in the management got in trouble for topping off their storage tanks... WITH WATER from a garden hose.

The state of Michigan has regulations which allow a small amount of water in the underground tanks, and they inspect for it,, Clearly the station above had more than that.

Another name brand station, before it was sold to an overseas firm at least, had company rules that were much more strict than the Michigan law (They only allowed about 1/2 the water the state did) Plus in the winter they added a gas line freeze up preventive (HEET brand Gas Line antifreeze in fact)

I gassed up at one of their stations.. My Daughter's God Father laughed at me for paying that high price, and bragged about how much he was saving buying at an "off brand" discount station.... Till I used my Running just fine car to tow his would not start to the shop for a 300 Dollar repair job due to water in the gas.

Really??? Gasoline and water do not mix...the gas floats on top. What would they gain by doing this? Sounds like an old urban myth to me..

B.O.