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Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but how do you register vehicle with a higher GVWR than what's on the doorjamb?
Some states require some type of weight number for registration purposes. Some states do not.
In my state we have no weight numbers to register our private use trucks at nor can we. We simple carry weight up to the lessor of the individual axle/tire/wheel load ratings.
The thread about the smart car on top of the truck while pulling a 5th wheel trailer is a good example. As long as the truck doesn't exceed the lessor of truck makers front or rear axle/wheel/tire load rating I'm good to go. Registered GVW means nothing on a private use truck ( the size in question) in my state.
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hawkeye-08 wrote:
proxim2020 wrote:
mowermech wrote:
Please keep in mind that the sticker has the ratings for a certain size/type of tire and stock springs.
Many of us throw the P rated tires from our half ton pickups away and replace them with LT Load Range C, D, or even E tires. Some of us also install "overload" springs of one kind or another.
The ratings on the sticker are no longer valid, because the truck is not equipped as shown.
Therefore, the REGISTERED GVW limitation applies.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but how do you register vehicle with a higher GVWR than what's on the doorjamb?
You can register a pickup for the weight you want to carry (different than what mfgr supports and labels). The default in Washington state is double the empty weight, rounded up to nearest ton. For example, if your truck weighs 6200lbs, then 2*6200 is 12400, which gets rounded up to 14,000lbs. You are legal to carry that much. It does not mean that it is safe to do so, that is up to the owner. Of course the warranty on the truck is another matter. I am sure there are limits, but they will take your money every year for registration. My brother has a 1500 and it had a big number and he pushed back and they lowered it to what his truck could actually carry. Saved him $10-15 per year on tags.
This is a correct but incorrect post. The default is 150% to the next highest ton. So the 6200 take truck would be 9400, raised to 10,000 lbs. BUT the owner can buy a 12k+ plate if they wish, and would be legal to 12k.
On the other hand. My C2500 is good to 8000 lbs, as that is what my plate is good to. I do not get the 8600 on door jam. If i were to pay an additional $10-15 the next time I were to register, then I would be good to 10k. Door sticker be dammed.
I've been pulled over, weighed etc as high as 27200 in my navistar, plate is 26k. No ticket, only q 10 day warning to up plate to 28k. As I still had 1000 lbs per Axel before going over engineers road bed limit. In wa st this is 500 lbs per inch width with singles, 600 with dials. Up to 20k per or 34 k per tandem or axles closer than about 8' IIRC.
Plate registration is a number $$$ game to recoup for damage done from you driving on the road at x lbs. The Leo enforces engineers road bed design liMIT. The manufacture limit is a warranty limit.
Marty - hawkeye-08Explorer III
proxim2020 wrote:
mowermech wrote:
Please keep in mind that the sticker has the ratings for a certain size/type of tire and stock springs.
Many of us throw the P rated tires from our half ton pickups away and replace them with LT Load Range C, D, or even E tires. Some of us also install "overload" springs of one kind or another.
The ratings on the sticker are no longer valid, because the truck is not equipped as shown.
Therefore, the REGISTERED GVW limitation applies.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but how do you register vehicle with a higher GVWR than what's on the doorjamb?
You can register a pickup for the weight you want to carry (different than what mfgr supports and labels). The default in Washington state is double the empty weight, rounded up to nearest ton. For example, if your truck weighs 6200lbs, then 2*6200 is 12400, which gets rounded up to 14,000lbs. You are legal to carry that much. It does not mean that it is safe to do so, that is up to the owner. Of course the warranty on the truck is another matter. I am sure there are limits, but they will take your money every year for registration. My brother has a 1500 and it had a big number and he pushed back and they lowered it to what his truck could actually carry. Saved him $10-15 per year on tags. - BenKExplorerIn the end it's all about money in this society...most societies...*BUT*
it is how we get to that bottom line that matters...IMHO
We enjoy freedoms few countries allow. Why anyone can pretty much do whatever they
wish...until they take away someone else's freedoms. Why this thread indicates
a DA has filed criminal charges...a life was ended...taken?...and that is where
the courts will be charged to make the determination
That then goes to liability for someone's actions
From the OEM's of all components and systems.
The TV's OEM sold that vehicle with a specification that was spelled out on all
of their contractual documents. From the door labels, to the glove box manual,
to the sales brochures, to the Internet based specifications, ETC...
If the driver/owner of that TV had modified the TV, the TV's OEM is off the
liability hook for those parts/systems/etc affected.
The trailer OEM has a ditto liability and specification tree. If the Owner/driver
made that trailer, then the driver/owner has the liability
If the hookup/setup was not properly done, then the driver has the liability
There are laws dictating "minimum" things to have and do. Like the safety chains
(type, rating, etc) and hooked up *CORRECTLY*. Ditto the breakaway lanyard. ETC
If speed was a contributing factor, then the driver is on the hook for that
part
If the condition of the coupler allowed it to let go of the ball (failed or
worn latch), then the owner and driver are on the hook (liability). As they
should have checked it before moving. Oblique, but germane, is the way the
Anderson WD Hitch System works by placing all/most of the forces on the coupler
latch...that, that latch was never designed to be used that way...
By registering a vehicle above the OME's GVWR and operating that TV above the
OEM's GVWR removes the TV's OEM off the liability hook
The state DMV which accepted the money for a higher registration is NOT on the
liability hook. They just licensed it for whatever GVW (NO "R") and it is up
to the operator to manage that aspect...
To the folks who say that insurance will cover no matter what...read the fine
print. They can walk away and NOT cover if they deem so. Rude awaking for me
in my first suit while in my twenties...my insurance said they 'would' insure
and cover 'me'. As the policy was for my company...they did NOT have to cover
me...the owner. My employees are named to be cover...within certain bounds... - mowermechExplorerExactly!
However, under some conditions I could be under the registered GVW and still get an overweight ticket. During "spring breakup" in particular, and at other times and places there might be load restrictions of a certain weight per inch of tire width. So (picking numbers at random), if my tires are 8 inches wide, and the load limit on the road is 100 lbs. per inch of tire width, if I have more than 1600 lbs. on the rear axle I am illegal no matter what the registered GVW is!
So, while the "money number" is an accurate description, it is also a road surface protection number. - Community AlumniAh. So it's just a money number.
- mowermechExplorer
proxim2020 wrote:
mowermech wrote:
Please keep in mind that the sticker has the ratings for a certain size/type of tire and stock springs.
Many of us throw the P rated tires from our half ton pickups away and replace them with LT Load Range C, D, or even E tires. Some of us also install "overload" springs of one kind or another.
The ratings on the sticker are no longer valid, because the truck is not equipped as shown.
Therefore, the REGISTERED GVW limitation applies.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but how do you register vehicle with a higher GVWR than what's on the doorjamb?
Well, for example, when I transferred my old Ram 3500 from the CA plates to MT plates, the clerk at the DMV asked me what GVW (not GVWR) I wanted on it. I said I wanted it high enough that I would never have to worry about exceeding it. She said "How about 14 thousand? It HAS to be in multiples of 2000 lbs." I said "That oughta work!", and that was the GVW the truck was registered for.
Here in Montana they just don't care what the door sticker says. The truck or trailer can be registered for just about any GVW. If I want to pay the fee and register my Ram 1500 for 10,000 lbs. GVW I can do that (IIRC, I registered it for 8000).
One thing to remember, though, is that if one registers a light duty trailer for 3000 lbs. GVW or more, it must have brakes on all wheels, and a breakaway system that will hold the brakes applied for 15 minutes.
Also keep in mind that the registered gross weight is GVW not GCW. The weight of any trailer is not included.
EDIT: Curiosity got the best of me, so I had to go look. The door sticker on the 1500 says the GVWR with P rated tires is 6600 lbs. The registration says the declared GVW is 10,000 lbs. The truck now has LT Load Range D M&S tires. - Community Alumni
mowermech wrote:
Please keep in mind that the sticker has the ratings for a certain size/type of tire and stock springs.
Many of us throw the P rated tires from our half ton pickups away and replace them with LT Load Range C, D, or even E tires. Some of us also install "overload" springs of one kind or another.
The ratings on the sticker are no longer valid, because the truck is not equipped as shown.
Therefore, the REGISTERED GVW limitation applies.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but how do you register vehicle with a higher GVWR than what's on the doorjamb? - mowermechExplorer
rhagfo wrote:
mowermech wrote:
Please keep in mind that the sticker has the ratings for a certain size/type of tire and stock springs.
Many of us throw the P rated tires from our half ton pickups away and replace them with LT Load Range C, D, or even E tires. Some of us also install "overload" springs of one kind or another.
The ratings on the sticker are no longer valid, because the truck is not equipped as shown.
Therefore, the REGISTERED GVW limitation applies.
Only to the AXLE manufactures axle weight rating, or tire rating what ever is lower.
Every time I have looked up an axle manufacturer's rating, it has been MUCH higher than the VEHICLE manufacturer's GAWR, and usually much higher than Load Range E tires!
So, yes, the rig can only be loaded to the rating of the tires installed. In the case of my old 1994 Dodge 3500, the load rating of four Load Range E M&S tires was quite close to the licensed 14K GVW. IIRC, Dana/Spicer rated the axle at 13K. So, no problem. - rhagfoExplorer III
mowermech wrote:
Please keep in mind that the sticker has the ratings for a certain size/type of tire and stock springs.
Many of us throw the P rated tires from our half ton pickups away and replace them with LT Load Range C, D, or even E tires. Some of us also install "overload" springs of one kind or another.
The ratings on the sticker are no longer valid, because the truck is not equipped as shown.
Therefore, the REGISTERED GVW limitation applies.
Only to the AXLE manufactures axle weight rating, or tire rating what ever is lower.
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