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goducks10 wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
ksg5000 wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
Was there back in 2011, and couldn't believe they don't let you pump your own. Luckily we were just passing through, and didn't need any gas, just the restrooms. I remember thinking at the time, how do I know who I'm handing my keys (locking gas cap/filler door) or cash/credit card to, when someone dressed casually walks up to my window and asks "fill 'er up?".
Not sure I understand - the attendant pumps the gas - most put in their own credit card in the slot. Why would you travel all the way through Oregon and pay higher gas prices in either Washington/Calif to avoid having someone pump your gas?
As I said in my post, although not in this much detail, we were just passing thru and didn't need gas. Didn't go to California or Washington either for gas. We just stopped to use the restrooms before heading east. The "can't pump gas in Oregon" was just some interesting local folklore we discovered during our stop. When we were asked how much gas we wanted, we said, "sorry, we didn't know we were at the full service islands". Then the attendant told us they were all full service, and explained the rules, and then we realized what was happening. Had never heard of this before. Anywhere.
re: putting card in slot. Where I live/buy gas, if you're going to put your credit card in the pump, you're already out of the vehicle, so you might as well finish the job. I guess they figure we're clever enough to pump our own without immolating grandma.
Can I ask, how do folks from OR deal with gas lawn mowers, snow blowers, chainsaws, charcoal grills, and so on? Once the attendant fills your gas cans, you're suddenly deemed qualified to handle and pour the class 1 flammable liquid?
You foreigners are funny. I can see no benefit to pumping my own other than having to wait for the attendant. I have on occasion got out and finished my own fill up. Never got yelled at for doing that.
I can. Things like not having the last quart dribbled down the quarter panel...not getting the wrong grade of gas...not having the paint gouged by the pump nozzle...not having the pump jockey walk off with my gas cap, or drop and break it. At this point, I would pay a premium to pump my own.turbojimmy wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
I rode motorcycles for 12+ years and in Oregon you can pump your own gas if on an MC. Most every attendant didn't want to get the pump handle anywhere near my gas tank.
I haven't read the actual law here in NJ, but they let me pump my own gas on the MC. Pretty sure it's technically illegal but they don't want to mess with it and I don't want them to.
Legal on motorcycles, probably because owners were flipping out when pump jockeys splashed gas all over their bikes.- Staying out of Or. pretty easy to do.
goducks10 wrote:
LOL...flew right over your head but that's ok.babock wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
It's not $0.40 cheaper because you have an attendant pumping it for you. LOL
You can laugh all you want while pumping your own gas at .40 more per gal.
I just marvel at the ignorance of some people.
Try using Gas Buddy. Pick your cities. I picked my city in Oregon and randomly picked Sacramento. 2.95 vs 3.35
I pay $2.89 in Los Angeles. I am sure it would be more if they had an attendant pumping it for me.agesilaus wrote:
Just how cheap is it? GasBuddy heat map
OK cheap by Taxifornia standards maybe, not very cheap compared to the rest of the country
Oregons never been cheaper than the rest of the country. And neither has pump your own WA or CA. It's a west coast thing.babock wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
It's not $0.40 cheaper because you have an attendant pumping it for you. LOL
You can laugh all you want while pumping your own gas at .40 more per gal.
I just marvel at the ignorance of some people.
Try using Gas Buddy. Pick your cities. I picked my city in Oregon and randomly picked Sacramento. 2.95 vs 3.35- Just how cheap is it? GasBuddy heat map
OK cheap by Taxifornia standards maybe, not very cheap compared to the rest of the country ksg5000 wrote:
Ralph Cramden wrote:
ksg5000 wrote:
Oregon is a big strange but some would argue that your ultimate gas price is determined by the distributors and tax authorities and not by the minimum wage earned by gas attendants --- goes against the basic econ rules we learned 40+ years ago but "free market" ain't so free when there are limited number of distributors.
Oregon laws remain in effect because everytime someone tries to overturn the the law people point out that the gas in nearby states is usually higher than Oregon.
Basic economic rules would dictate that the wages and other associated costs for maintaining employees get passed down to the consumer. I find it hard to beleive there are many gas station operators in Oregon or anywhere else that provide that service out of the goodness of their own heart, and on their own dime. There is not much of a profit margin on fuel at the retail level to begin with, which is why the vast majority of gas stations are now convenience stores.
Yep - but basic economic rules require free market and that doesn't exist in the distribution chain in Oregon and many other states. Oregon gas prices tend to be lower than neighboring self serve states despite having higher tax rates - go figure.goducks10 wrote:
babock wrote:
agesilaus wrote:
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yep if you don't like it or it bothers you keep out
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It's not that it bothers the other 98+ percent of us, we just marvel at the stupidity of at least a major chunk of Oregonians
You can laugh all you want while pumping your own gas at .40 more per gal.
I just marvel at the ignorance of some people.
Perhaps Oregon is the economic oddity of the universe where things happen in reverse?
I too marvel at the ignorance.
Average retail gasoline price in Oregon today = $2.79 (TAXES $0.33 gal)
Average retail gasoline price in Pennsylvania = $2.75 (TAXES $0.58 gal)
Comparing to here, when you adjust taxes to be equal for sheets and giggles, the average retail price here in PA would be $2.50 gal to Oregon's $2.79, $0.29 less for pumping it ourselves. (Now that is if we were not paying the highest gas taxes in the nation and paying the same as in Oregon to keep our roads and infrastructure in tip top shape which is a whole other story. LOL)
Granted you have logistical price differences at the wholesale level but come on people, someone is paying for that station attendant and its not the station / store owner, the distributor, the state of Oregon, or the man in the moon.
Another way to look at it is take a gas station / store open 24/7 that has to maintain fuel distribution technology engineers.
1 week = 168 hours @ 24/7.
Oregon minimum wage = $10.25
Actual hard cost per hour of maintaining an employee per hour = ($10.25 + 28%) $13.12
168 hours X $13.12 = $2204.16 per week ( That's a conservative number)
Average number of gallons sold daily as per NACS = 4000
If it costs me as a station/store owner $2204.00 per week to pump your 28000 gallons of gas per week, that's $0.07 per gallon that it costs me to pump your gas, and I'm sending that straight to you in one way or another. It's either getting added to your gas price, or the pack of gum or condoms you just bought inside, but I am not footing the bill for it.
That is the way things work in the economic world, possibly not Oregon LOL.
For more fun lets compare costs to Washington where you pump your own which should eliminate most of the logistical cost differences.
Average retail gasoline price in Oregon today = $2.79 (TAXES $0.33 gal)
Average retail gasoline price in Washington today = $2.92 (TAXES $0.49 gal)
Retail average with taxes adjusted to be equal......
Oregon $2.79 per gallon
Washington $2.76 per gallon
Nothing wrong with having your gas pumped for you, but you are paying for the convenience in one way or another, even in the economic abnormality of Oregon.goducks10 wrote:
It's not $0.40 cheaper because you have an attendant pumping it for you. LOL
You can laugh all you want while pumping your own gas at .40 more per gal.
I just marvel at the ignorance of some people.babock wrote:
agesilaus wrote:
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yep if you don't like it or it bothers you keep out
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It's not that it bothers the other 98+ percent of us, we just marvel at the stupidity of at least a major chunk of Oregonians
You can laugh all you want while pumping your own gas at .40 more per gal.
I just marvel at the ignorance of some people.
