400 mile electric RV

noteven wrote:
Actually this proposal is being blocked by eastern Canadian political interests at every turn.

Even more reason not to do this in the US.

time2roll wrote:

3 tons wrote:
So when they tell you this is about the environment, it is not; that would be false…

3 tons

OK and Canada is already in process to expand the existing pipeline within their own border to export to the east coast. There will be no trucks or trains needed. Just not needed. Especially the environmental risk.

Actually this proposal is being blocked by eastern Canadian political interests at every turn.

what is a spill...750 barrels before it is called a spill. Dreadful.

3 tons wrote:
The Keystone pipeline upon completion would carry more than 800,000 barrels or 33.6 million gallons of oil through the pipeline per day. With no harmful emissions.

We should use this "no harmful emissions" energy source to power the world, because a pipeline definitely consumes energy to pipe hot crude, albeit less than trucking it.

So when they tell you this is about the environment, it is not; that would be false…

The environment is more than just emissions -- one of the biggest environmental complaints was about the impact of spills, and the pipeline operator doesn't have a good track record - in existing Keystone pipeline segments, they had a 380,000 gallon spill in 2019, and 400,000 gallon spill in 2017, along with a number of smaller spills.

3 tons wrote:
So when they tell you this is about the environment, it is not; that would be false…

3 tons

OK and Canada is already in process to expand the existing pipeline within their own border to export to the east coast. There will be no trucks or trains needed. Just not needed. Especially the environmental risk.

I just got this from a pal:

The Keystone pipeline upon completion would carry more than 800,000 barrels or 33.6 million gallons of oil through the pipeline per day. With no harmful emissions.

A Barrel of Oil is 42 gallons, not to be confused with a Drum which is 55 gallons.

Because a gallon of oil weighs between 7.5 and 7.8 lbs. per gallon, most trucks can't carry but up to 130 barrels of oil at a time without violating our department of transportation laws of 80,000 lbs. on our roadways. That's truck and cargo weight,

It would take 6,154 more trucks going just from Canada to the Gulf Coast for that same oil and that's every single day.

Now a rail car holds approx. 30,000 gallons or 700 barrels.

It would take trains every day pulling 1,143 more rail cars per day. just pulling the oil from that pipeline from Canada to the Gulf Coast.

Trains and Trucks emitting more emissions and burning more fuel that would be eliminated by the pipeline.

So when they tell you this is about the environment, it is not; that would be false…

3 tons

Amazing but factual. After WW II Pacific Islanders demonstrated to have "whatever happened to sunken Japanese tankers, to 'do it again' because the fish harvest was magnitudes better than it was during even village elder's lifetimes"

I thought it was a joke ha-ha until my father extracted commission news accounts of native behavior. Including photographs. It was theorized bunker oil had supplied the bottom of the food chain.

With my generator day tank. Algae growth is 100 times greater in water at the bottom of the tank than it is with our untreated well water.

I am posting this solely for its curiosity value and not as a political statement.

All this fuss about the environment (deservedly so…) found me yearning for a bit of ‘environmental humor’ from the Late Great George Carlin (disclaimer, no pretense of real science - lol)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHgJKrmbYfg

3 tons

“Now go visit Orange County beaches and let everyone know that they can rest assured that in a few decades, they'll hardly see a sign of the oil.”…So moving forward your point is??…

3 tons

No doubt spills are not harmless (for the record I’ve yet to meet anyone who’s suggested they are) , but they are not permanent - are we to suppose that natures remediation process is not still underway??… And in a way aren’t we all somewhat responsible for this accident due to our relentless First World life style cravings??…On an RV forum, it seems strangely odd to not sense a kinda virtue laden “fault thee but not me” contradiction here (but admittedly that’s just me)…Either way, the accident did result in the requirement for double hulled oil tankers (a good example of cogent Gov’t Regulation), but as far as EV mandates go (i.e.based on notions of lowering CO2, but minus any non-politicized proof), cogent policy making has yet to make manifest…In my view it’ll take an informed citizen-body to demand such…

3 tons